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    >>DUH! Roman Catholicism has abstinence at its core. What good are condoms to you if you're having sex to conceive?!?

    Abstinence outside of marriage is fine, but what about when you are married and don't want to have kids yet? Why is Catholocism against condom usage between 2 married people? It's things like that that really make me go crazy about the Catholic church.

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    I think his point is that it's crazy for people to be hoping for a change in the core of Catholicism with the next pope. I don't think he's actually agreeing or disagreeing with that policy.

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    Indeed Sean. Like I said, I'm not a part of it, so its rules don't affect me. If you have a problem with it, then why not just walk away?

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    >Why is Catholocism against condom usage between 2 married people?

    Correct me if I'm wrong (probably am) but don't they say that you only have sex when trying to conceive, even if you are married?
    Hmm

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    >>Indeed Sean. Like I said, I'm not a part of it, so its rules don't affect me. If you have a problem with it, then why not just walk away?<<

    I don't think I agree with this. It would be virtually impossible to find a religion that you didn't disagree a least a little bit with. If you agreed 100% then I'd be worried because that almost certainly means instead of holding your own beliefs you just had them dictated to you from your religion.

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    Unless of course you believe in Amos 3:7, and consider the leader of your religion to be one of these prophets. I'm not sure if that's how the Catholic church views the Pope though, but that's definitely how it is for us Mormons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean_mackrory
    Unless of course you believe in Amos 3:7, and consider the leader of your religion to be one of these prophets. I'm not sure if that's how the Catholic church views the Pope though, but that's definitely how it is for us Mormons.
    The Pope is considered infallible on matters of church doctorian.

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    Abstinence outside of marriage is fine, but what about when you are married and don't want to have kids yet?
    Couples can naturally plan and space out their children.

    Why is Catholocism against condom usage between 2 married people?
    It has to do with how the Pope(s) viewed marital love.

    Correct me if I'm wrong (probably am) but don't they say that you only have sex when trying to conceive, even if you are married?
    BobDole, a couple shouldn't go out of their way not to conceive. They do this by using contraception. But they also don't have to be trying to conceive.

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    BobDole, a couple shouldn't go out of their way not to conceive. They do this by using contraception. But they also don't have to be trying to conceive.
    Are you stating this as personal belief, or your understanding of Catholic doctrine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by okinrus
    Couples can naturally plan and space out their children.
    you can't be serious...

    I don't follow any religion, really, and I don't really subscribe to any system of beliefs... IMO, your strongest beliefs are the ones you come up with yourself - for example, I'm a vegitarian and try to help out the environment where I can, but I don't tell people I'm an environmentalist...

    as for the whole religion thing, I suggest everybody read the satanic bible, by Anton Szandor LaVey. He brings up some very good points on why he thinks the catholic church is wrong on some points. the basic principle in the satanic bible is that nothing should be wrong so long as it doesn't hurt anybody else (unless they want to be hurt).

    IMO, the catholic church speaking out against contraceptive use is very detremental to society. without the use of contraceptives, epidemics like AIDS and overpopulation start to rear their ugly heads. any educated (enlightened?) culture will know that contraceptive use is beneficical, and abstinence on a large scale in an unisolated environment will never happen.
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    there is a difference between what is "right" and what is socially accepted.

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    > Couples can naturally plan and space out their children.

    So, a couple should only have sex as many times as they want children? What if they make a mistake and the woman doesn't get pregnant?

    How about it one of the partners is infertile? Are they doomed to be virgins forever?

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    The churches stance on sex is unstable at best. Its written on a dry erase testament so they can edit on the fly....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez
    > Couples can naturally plan and space out their children.

    So, a couple should only have sex as many times as they want children? What if they make a mistake and the woman doesn't get pregnant?

    How about it one of the partners is infertile? Are they doomed to be virgins forever?
    Its more like this:
    Married couples are allowed to have sex as much or as little as they wish. You are allowed to use "natural" methods (monitoring her cycle, etc) to try and plan out your children. If you fail in your planning (she gets pregnant when you didn't want to or vica versa) its considered God's will.

    You know whats funny? This in the scheme of things is such a minor issue, yet it gets blow up a lot. How we treat each other, the poor, and the suffering, are much much more important.

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    Ok who gave my negative rep for an opinion?

    How about doing some research before spouting off an opinion
    Thats the dumbest thing i ever heard. I must be completely knowledged in something to have an opinion? Damn how gay can you be, its called public forum, grow up.

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