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    Public opinion reports (PIPA)

    Interesting stuff here.
    "Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) carries out research on public opinion"
    http://www.pipa.org/

    If your American, thinking of traveling, here is what the locals will think of you...
    http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/BB...oll011905.html

    "The poll also finds that for a substantial minority worldwide these negative feelings about Bush have generalized to the American people."


    Go to page 12 and look at the list of news stations and the percentage of viewers have 'misperceptions'. (ie Iraq had WMD)
    http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Ir..._03_Report.pdf

    "Standing out in the analysis are Fox and NPR/PBS--but for opposite reasons. Fox was the news source whose viewers had the most misperceptions."


    "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters"
    http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pr...rt10_21_04.pdf

    "To preserve the belief that that going to war was the right decision, it appears necessary for Bush supporters to believe that the assumptions that prompted going to war were correct."

    Scary views on the allowing torture under 'exceptional' circumstances...like we think he's a terrorist.
    http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/To...rt07_22_04.pdf

    "one argument was found convincing by a more robust 63%.
    “Whenever possible, military interrogators should limit themselves to methods that are humane and consistent with international conventions. However, at times, military necessity may call for making exceptions to these rules.” "
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    Wow. Turkey really hates us.

    But I really don't find any of that to be a surprise. My step-grandmother said the other nite that she doesn't know how Bush got re-elected. She compared people's feelings towards him to the feelings people had for Nixon, and according to her, "people HATED Nixon".

    I really don't think the people that voted for Bush have a feel for how the rest of the world views us and what Bush has done to that persona. I really cannot fathom that we have that many people that like him.

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    Edit: all that follows is MY opinion... and i feel in no way obligated to justify myself to ANYONE so dont bother...

    no disrespect to novacain here, but this is just propaganda, opinion poll's are bullI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly and always will be... i don't buy the numbers in the slightest... the VAST majority of the world(U.S. included) is terribly misinformed and most really don't care about anything outside their daily lives... even if they act like it its all psycology... people are stupid(me to an amazing extent) and they just DON'T CARE.

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    I really don't think the people that voted for Bush have a feel for how the rest of the world views us and what Bush has done to that persona. I really cannot fathom that we have that many people that like him.
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    cause nobody here gives a crap what the rest of the world thinks, and even if people dont like him THEY RESPECT HIM... because he stands for what America stands for... because he has the balls to stand for what he believes is right and back up words with actions...

    hes OUR PRESIDENT we elect him not the world... yes, he's the leader of the free world... the whole world... but there's a reason for that...

    most of the worlds governments act like a bunch of petty stupid children anyway... the U.N. is full of cowards... they hate Bush because now they're exposed for being the money grubbing waste they are.

    by the way i dont agree with a lot of things Bush does... but Kerry was not a better choice... and he would NEVER command the respect Bush does, he would be FAR LESS respected by the world.

    Edit:
    and as for the rest of the documents it all opinion based blllaaaahhhh... summed up as "a bunch of people are stupid and dont believe what we believe..."


    Edit... am i in a bad mood and being an ******* or is it just me?
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    > he would NEVER command the respect Bush does, he would be FAR LESS respected by the world.

    Besides Tony Blair, who respects Bush, outside of the US?

    edit: And I know you said opinion outside of the US doesn't matter, but that's a really myopic way to look at things. It's also a really WRONG way to look at things.
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    obviously no-one (no pun intended)

    Oh wait, you said outside of the US. Hmm... pun intended.

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    > Besides Tony Blair, who respects Bush, outside of the US?

    ... who doesn't respect him? as i said they may hate him, but there's a difference... then again looking at its definition, respect doesn't even mean what it used to so... maybe i chose the wrong word...

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    edit: And I know you said opinion outside of the US doesn't matter, but that's a really myopic way to look at things. It's also a really WRONG way to look at things.
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    Depends on what viewpoint on things... things are as they are for a reason. He is the leader of the world for a reason.

    The U.S. "leads" the world because no one else can, NO OTHER NATION IS WILLING TO PUT ASIDE THE BULL**** AND DO IT... no other nation can or is as willing to look as far outside its own interests to help others... period. and no other nation has the power, respect, influence, and independance we do... because the greatest majority of Americans feel the same way as our nation acts, we love our freedom, we are ecstatic to share it with ANY who ask, and we will defend it fiercly... we are willing to put aside any grudges any hate ANYTHING to help anyone... we are an open door, we help any people that wants/needs it, requardless enemy or not. and we are willing to listen to and respect even the tiniest of nations and not force ourselves on them.

    now ask your self why? why do we hold those values?

    also to any nit picky *******s no we arn't perfect yes we screw up A LOT, and do a lot of the wrong things, and dont do the right thing all the time... so stop even before you start. i dont care.
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    >> not force ourselves on them.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... good one.

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    > ... who doesn't respect him? as i said they may hate him, but there's a difference...

    I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of world leaders who respect him.

    > then again looking at its definition, respect doesn't even mean what it used to so... maybe i chose the wrong word...

    Yeah, I remember the memo they sent out a few weeks ago when the definition of "respect" changed.

    > He is the leader of the world for a reason.

    Because 51% of the voting populace decided that they were afraid of some phantom enemy and that they also hate gay people. That doesn't mean he's a good leader.

    > now ask your self why? why do we hold those values?

    You've gotta be high. That's the only possible excuse.

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    >edit: And I know you said opinion outside of the US doesn't matter, but that's a really myopic way to look at things. It's also a really WRONG way to look at things.

    The US had this view circa 1900, but after the cuban war changed.... is it to say they were wrong to have this view, having this view isn't what caused the cuban war, I think the world would be better off if the US stayed out of other people's business....


    edit: I'm too drunk to make sense... but I like opinions outside because somewhere in the world it is 5:00pm and i feel less of a lush.
    Hmm

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    This isn't 1900, and the world is a lot different now. The US can't legitimately expect to be the strongest country in the world, be involved all over, and ignore the opinions of everyone else.

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    >>> not force ourselves on them.

    >>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... good one.

    Actually he has a point, before 1900 every other world "power" country was trying to take over others and the USA is all about independence, thats the only difference between us and our eurpean ancestors
    Hmm

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    It's a good thing it's before 1900.

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    >
    I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of world leaders who respect him.
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    i never said anything about world leaders and i never ment them, im talking about the people. The worlds leaders are a bunch of ultra-liberal politicans(politician is about the worst most descriptive insult i can think of)...

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    Yeah, I remember the memo they sent out a few weeks ago when the definition of "respect" changed.
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    wippersnapper...

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    Because 51% of the voting populace decided that they were afraid of some phantom enemy and that they also hate gay people. That doesn't mean he's a good leader.
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    oh, im sorry i forgot 9/11 didn't happen and neither did the moon landing... wtf dude?
    nobody i've ever heard of who isn't... something gay liking gayness... and most of them don't either... and most people they like their gay friends and hate the fact that their gay... and neither of these things are exactly relevant?

    >You've gotta be high. That's the only possible excuse.

    no sir... just ill, tired, in a horrible mood and a retarded...

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    This isn't 1900, and the world is a lot different now.
    It's a good thing it's before 1900.
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    your missing his point...

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    The US can't legitimately expect to be the strongest country in the world, be involved all over, and ignore the opinions of everyone else.
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    We dont ignore them at all... we take them into account isn't that what i just said? what i was saying was who cares who they want us to elect for OUR president? he has a lot more jobs than wiping the U.N.'s ass... we elect the person we think will handle the job(including the world issues) without selling us out, and what not... no other nation has any care what happens to us or anything but their own interests at heart. So excuse me for not giving a crap what they want... this is all part of the greater point of what i said...

    anyway Yes we can, in the immortal words of a Mr. Denis Leary "We got the bombs".

    Edit to clarify what i meant by that quote, is this:
    the U.S. can do whatever it wants, including ignore everybody, stomp on ANYBODY we want, and anything else that suited our whims, thats another reason other nations hate us... we are benevolent by choice.
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    > i never said anything about world leaders and i never ment them, im talking about the people. The worlds leaders are a bunch of ultra-liberal politicans(politician is about the worst most descriptive insult i can think of)...

    You're living in a fantasy world. Look at any of the polls to this effect, and you'll find that the majority of the world hates Bush.

    > oh, im sorry i forgot 9/11 didn't happen and neither did the moon landing... wtf dude?

    oh, i'm sorry i forgot we caught Osama and Saddam was also behind 9/11. Saddam also had a ton of WMD. Wait a minute, none of those things were true.

    > nobody i've ever heard of who isn't... something gay liking gayness... and most of them don't either... and most people they like their gay friends and hate the fact that their gay... and neither of these things are exactly relevant?

    I don't even know what the hell you're trying to say. Learn how to post a coherent thought.

    > your missing his point...

    No. The US is in an entirely different position than we were that long ago. If we're going to poke our noses into everything, we have to at least pay attention to world opinion of us.

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    >You're living in a fantasy world. Look at any of the polls to this effect, and you'll find that the majority of the world hates Bush.

    see first paragraph after the edit in my first post...

    >oh, i'm sorry i forgot we caught Osama and Saddam was also behind 9/11. Saddam also had a ton of WMD. Wait a minute, none of those things were true.
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    um... lemmie see that means terrorists don't exist and 9/11 still never happened? furthermore... watch the news, they said they have documents linking Saddam to Al Qaeda, and though its unconfirmed there have been reports Saddam AT THE VERY LEAST knew about 9/11 before hand... it doesnt matter anyway...

    He had the WMD's at some point PERIOD, he never disclosed what happened to them... just because we can't find them doesnt prove he didnt have them any more than it proves he did... you act like he never had them and explained everything... if he got rid of them or lost them, why didnt he just say so? problem SOLVED.

    >I don't even know what the hell you're trying to say. Learn how to post a coherent thought.

    its irrelevant anyway.

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    If we're going to poke our noses into everything, we have to at least pay attention to world opinion of us.
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    we do pay attention, doesn't mean the opinion is founded or legitimate, that its right and we're wrong, or that it has any more weight than our own views and opinions or that we can fix it OR that we should even give a crap, or we should do whatever they want so they will like us... they dont like Bush, so we shouldn't elect who we believe is best? you DONT elect the man because you like him or because the world likes him, you elect him because you believe he's the best for the job.
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