Giving Whole Answers to Questions

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    In a way I agree with what Axon just said: this was already discussed in that thread. However, I'm also not totally sure what Kleid is trying to say as he wasn't very eloquent about it. Is he just saying "If someone is asking for help on a very mundane problem, it is then okay to do the work for them, in this case write a small program, in order to help them out?"

    If that is what he meant, then I would have to say I agree. To quote myself on the thread axon posted:

    Until you get that first 'foot in the door' so to speak, programming seems like an insurmountable challenge. I try to give people that foot in the door when I can, then otherwise I don't help as much.
    Basically, if someone just needs a foot in the door to get started, then it is okay to go out of your way a bit (although the example with the 'Hello World" program is poor as it's in every C/C++ book ever written). Otherwise spoon feeding answers is poor practice and helps nobody. You've gotta balance this stuff to be most effective. Salem's approach to the matter is most useful for when people already have a foot in the door:

    As much as possible, its about getting the poster to think for themselves a bit - which for newbies can be an extremely frustrating experience as it often seems like people are not really helping. But a large part of programming is down to thinking about the problem, and it's only when you "get" that aspect of it that you can start to tackle the really interesting programming problems.

    So yeah.

    edit: I'm trying to find an example in the C/C++ forum where instead of just giving the answer (Salem always seems to know the answer) he asks questions which make the poster think, and guides them to a solution. When the poster figures it out, he/she benefits most because ultimately, they did the work, and was only guided in the right direction, not just given the answer.

    Here is the example I was looking for:
    Splitting up int16_t to two int8_t

    It is evident the person already has some experience programming (has a foot in the door), and just needs help with this concept.
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    Here is the best idea ever:
    Let people post what they want to post. Let's stop having these retarted discussions on why we should help people more or how we should be nicer to people.
    These are the useless posts and are stupid. Geez if people are smart and show effort fine, if they are stupid and are like "pleez post som source" and/or "here's my e-mail could you send me some source". Then they deserve the wraith of whoever feels like flamming them.
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    Geez if people are smart and show effort fine, if they are stupid and are like "pleez post som source" and/or "here's my e-mail could you send me some source". Then they deserve the wraith of whoever feels like flamming them.
    Amen.
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    I see what you're saying, and in a lot of cases finding an ultimatum (which is what you are trying to do) which works in all cases usually simplifies life. However, it is sometimes hard to tell when someone is just lazy and looking for an easy way to do homework, or really is just plain inexperienced and needs help on a stupid problem. To be fair, in a lot of cases it is immediately clear when someone is just lazy, but like I said, not always.
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    Look. I don't flame people(well I do but it's rare).
    But if someone feels that someone is being lazy then let them say "search the board" or "do some work".
    If someone else feels they are just a new programmer who is confused let them help them.

    If someone is that inexperienced, fine I have no problem helping them or seeing someone else help them.
    But I myself and I know many others, we would just like to see their code. It's not that hard for them to post code.

    If someone posts with a question with attached code, they will get 100% of my full help(if it's something I know ).
    On the other hand if it is a mundane question with no source they will most likely get a "post some code" or more likely no repsonse from me.
    And most likely get some meaner comments from others(which I do enjoy seeing ).

    I just posted what I posted here because I am really getting sick of seeing these stupid posts in the GD.
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    You guys are just jealous because you ain't got the skillz to help people like me lol

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    Flame em all...let the mods sort em out.




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    I agree with Kleid on this topic. Most of ya'll should help the noobs instead of flaming people online if they have no clue how to do something. Why do people go like "USE CODE TAGS" every freaking post just to boost their post count when they don't even know how to solve the problem? Like if you don't know how to do the rotations in Tetris and have no clue where to start, it is better to give them the source; a win-win situtation. So instead of being homosexual and tapping away at the negative rep button on everyone, maybe you guys could help beginners by sending them your old code or what not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KneeGrow
    I agree with Kleid on this topic. Most of ya'll should help the noobs instead of flaming people online if they have no clue how to do something. Why do people go like "USE CODE TAGS" every freaking post just to boost their post count when they don't even know how to solve the problem? Like if you don't know how to do the rotations in Tetris and have no clue where to start, it is better to give them the source; a win-win situtation. So instead of being homosexual and tapping away at the negative rep button on everyone, maybe you guys could help beginners by sending them your old code or what not.
    A mite bitter are we?
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    Knee, we're all a little homosexual. I'm 9% homosexual for instance. I know for a fact that bubba is 8% homosexual. RoD is 89% homosexual, etc.

    What am I really saying? Lay off the drugs dude!
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    RoD is 89% homosexual,
    Just trying to slip that one in there right?
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    Hey, at least I didn't make this remark:

    "And Andy, our resident sailor, well, let's just put it this way, if the gay scale was an IQ test he'd be a friggin genius"



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    Hey, I am a submariner -- that means I definetly am the gayest guy here!
    i don't think most standard compilers support programmers with more than 4 red boxes - Misplaced

    It is my sacred duity to stand in the path of the flood of ignorance and blatant stupidity... - quzah

    Such pointless tricks ceased to be interesting or useful when we came down from the trees and started using higher level languages. - Salem

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    What was wrong with the other thread about this exact same topic?

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    Kleid-0 wanted attention so he decided to start his own thread.
    i don't think most standard compilers support programmers with more than 4 red boxes - Misplaced

    It is my sacred duity to stand in the path of the flood of ignorance and blatant stupidity... - quzah

    Such pointless tricks ceased to be interesting or useful when we came down from the trees and started using higher level languages. - Salem

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