Alternative browsers

This is a discussion on Alternative browsers within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally Posted by -KEN- Honestly, I've tried using FF, but I think it's probably the XUL interface that drives me ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KEN-
    Honestly, I've tried using FF, but I think it's probably the XUL interface that drives me up the walls the most. It's even worse when I'm on OSX. I have tons of issues with the browser, though. Extensions are nice, and rendering's pretty good, too.

    Opera, as has been said, is just overall "faster,", and a nicer product.
    I've had no trouble with FF on OSX. Then again, I haven't added any extensions to it either.

    I used Opera for a while, and, to be honest, for what I do, I do not see a whole lot of difference between the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ober
    I challenge anyone to try both for an extended period and tell me that FF is better. I dare you.
    I've already done this, and I personally find FF to be better.

    I personally prefer the UI of Firefox over Opera. I also choose not to use a product which promotes adware. I also prefer a browser without feature bloat, allowing me to have only those features I want.

    I also find that Firefox's Gecko engine lays out websites better than Opera. Additionally I find far fewer websites break with FF than Opera. I also find FF's rendering speed to be comparable to Operas (I really don't know why so many people claim Opera is faster, if it is, it's so miniscule it's imperceptable to me).

    I also reject Opera's claims that all the neato features in browsers today are all complements of Opera. While some of them were Opera designed features, by far not a majority of them. Opera as well also has features other browsers implemented first.

    I also reject Opera users finding fault in having to install extensions to get all the features of Opera. After all, that was the general point of FF to begin with, to only install those features you want. I find this as a bonus, not a fault.

    I could also go on and on about specific FF features and UI issues which I find preferrable over Opera, however that would be personal preferences and not faults in Opera.

    Despite all that, there is one issue alone that makes FF preferable to me over Opera. I find the FF community more mature and level headed when I frequent their support forums. FF users tend to let Opera users be, let them judge for themselves which browser they use, and be content with it. Opera communities are entirely different though. Just mentioning FF in an Opera forum begins a rapid chain of angry accusations of being 'FF Fanboys', and rabid comments debunking FF.

    The Mozilla group focuses on promoting it's products. Opera focuses on debunking other products (and not always accurately). Many of Operas claims against FF are based on problems during a very popular and widely utilized beta period where too many users seemed to forget they were using a beta product, and grumbled when they pretty much had to place a lot of effort into installing each upgrade (otherwise problems abound everywhere). Now that FF is at a stable release, many/most of those claims are obsolete, or untrue.

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    I tried Opera for a small amount of time, and I didn't like it. If I would've spent more time with the browser I probably would've liked it a lot! When I was on Microsoft Windows, I used Avant (an IE wrapper), a GREAT browser. On Linux I use Mozilla, mainly because it's really all I need to view webpages, and I'm too lazy to try the others :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach L.
    I've had no trouble with FF on OSX. Then again, I haven't added any extensions to it either.

    I used Opera for a while, and, to be honest, for what I do, I do not see a whole lot of difference between the two.
    I use it on OSX exclusively (I would love to use Safari, but it refuses to stay in a single window ), and the non-native interface bugs me. It also seems a little slow to me, but I don't know. It doesn't bug me all that much. It could also just be angering me that the FF theme I use on Windows sometimes messes up on OSX, even though it seems like it was designed for it.

    >>Everything that Scribbler said.

    Woah there buddy, calm down. Way to reverse the elitism that you feel from the Opera community into FireFox elitism. They're both great browsers, and some people prefer one over the other. We can agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KEN-
    Way to reverse the elitism that you feel from the Opera community into FireFox elitism. They're both great browsers, and some people prefer one over the other. We can agree to disagree.
    You're absolutely correct. I do recognize that Opera is a very good browser. I am embarrassed to admit that I fell prey to the recent influx of Opera vs FF debates I seem to see everywhere lately. And for that I apologize.

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    Firefox is bad! Therefore anybody who uses Firefox is bad!

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    I use firefox... And yes I am bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ
    Firefox is bad! Therefore anybody who uses Firefox is bad!
    Does "Mozilla" browser count?

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    >>Opera takes up too much of the screen. It's fancy but has too much junk on the page. Fire fox is nice and basic

    On default, sure... but you can customize it into nothingness, especially with a registered copy:
    http://www.whproductions.com/fd/ober/opera.jpg

    Stupid image and html is off.

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    I win; yours is ugly as sin, Ober.

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    whaddya mean? I was just pointing out that mine takes up less space.

    EDIT: actually... looking again, they're about the same

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    >>I would love to use Safari, but it refuses to stay in a single window <<

    go into safari's prefs and tell it to open new winders in tabs (worked for me anyway)

    and is till hold to my statements made in other boards: opera in osx is clunky and ugly!! go FF!
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    I did, but I swear it didn't work. Now it appears to, though. I'm pretty happy with that 8-)

    Opera OSX does suck hard, though.

    edit: OK, now can I get it to have a "new tab" button?

    edit: It's doing it again! It won't stay in one window when you click a link inside of safari!
    Last edited by -KEN-; 01-13-2005 at 02:15 PM.

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    >>edit: OK, now can I get it to have a "new tab" button?<<

    do command+t (new tab)


    do a command+click (i think that forces it to open link in a new tab)
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    I know I can do that, but I shouldn't have to. The point of tabs is to keep everything in one window.

    And the tab button is just useful when I don't want touch the keyboard. I don't like browsing with anything but a mouse, usually.


    Oh well, back to firefox I guess.

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