Firefox in NY Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianxw
    Bobdole, I tried to post a link from FF to the BBC which didn't work, it demostrates a fault I have already posted on the FF forums,
    Mozilla.org uses their own Bugzilla product to track bugs. I don't think the forum is the right place to report them.

    Quote Originally Posted by adrianxw
    it was showing a film of the David Blunkett saga, but before I could do so, I happened to try adjusting the sound level, which wiped out the picture and a few seconds later froze completely...
    Isn't this more of a plugin issue? I don't have a windows machine available, but on Linux you have to install some plugin to watch videos in the browser. The choice there is up to you, but I think most people use the mplayerplug-in.
    main() { int O[!0<<~-!0]; (!0<<!0)[O]+= ~0 +~(!0|!0<<!0); printf("a function calling "); }

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    >>> don't think the forum is the right place

    One of the forums is for reporting problems and getting technical support. I had no wish to spend half an hour filling in the on screen forms giving a load of personal details out simply to do them a favour by reporting my observations.

    I would agree, it is probably a plugin problem, but the point I KEEP making is that the average Joe doesn't give a damn what the problem is, he clicks a link on the BBC's website. If he uses IE it works, if he uses FF it doesn't. Now is Joe going to spend time trying to find out what the problem is, bearing in mind that 90% of the "Joe's" out there are not computer types, simply users, or is he going to use IE because there, it works?

    I realise that by criticising an OS product, all the MS haters, the OS fans and uncle Tom Cobbly will regard me as the spawn of the devil, but until projects like FF realise that they have to get the "Joe's" onboard, not just the nerds, they won't make an impact.
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    > which makes IE a moot issue altogether

    Yeah, that 80% market share makes it a moot point. Get real. Just because *nix and Mac are taking fractions of a point away doesn't make IE any less important. Like adrian says, I think your numbers are bull anyway, until I see an unbiased study.

    > i dont like browsers that come prebundled with ads. I'll keep my firefox.

    There's a small banner in the upper right that I don't even notice unless I look straight at it.

    > all the MS haters,

    Dude, you misspelled "M$"

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    >>> small banner in the upper right

    There is? I just loaded FF and can't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianxw
    >>> small banner in the upper right

    There is? I just loaded FF and can't see it.
    he's refering to Opera. The free version ships with embeded adds in the toolbar.

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    > There is? I just loaded FF and can't see it.

    Perspective's right - sorry, I should have clarified. The banner rarely changes and it's almost never distracting. I don't notice it at all, 95% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianxw
    I had no wish to spend half an hour filling in the on screen forms giving a load of personal details out simply to do them a favour by reporting my observations.
    I'd agree that bugzilla has a poor user-interface and I'd not expect any of the "Joes" out there to take the time and effort to find out how to use that thing -- but they don't ask any personal questions except for an email. And you're not an ordinary Joe either :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by adrianxw
    I would agree, it is probably a plugin problem, but the point I KEEP making is that the average Joe doesn't give a damn what the problem is, he clicks a link on the BBC's website.
    Both the Realmedia versions as well as the Windows media versions work for me. I'm using Epiphany (which is using Mozillas Gecko engine) though, but I doubt there's any significant difference in the backend. Maybe it's a Windows specific problem or... you got unlucky.

    Quote Originally Posted by adrianxw
    I realise that by criticising an OS product, all the MS haters, the OS fans and uncle Tom Cobbly will regard me as the spawn of the devil,
    Not quite. I noticed most of them revert to the "it's OS, you're free to fix it tactic" - which is of course just as stupid.
    main() { int O[!0<<~-!0]; (!0<<!0)[O]+= ~0 +~(!0|!0<<!0); printf("a function calling "); }

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    Quibble all you wish about whether you find my findings different from yours. The point is, there is enough market share for other browsers to refute the "I'm not going to redesign my site for such a small demographic" argument.

    You can find reports where IE still maintains 92% and higher, whereas some show it to be less than 80%. Arguments abound as to which reports are more reliable and why, however what can't be refuted is that in some cases IE usage dips much lower than what many claim (in many cases in the low 80s and lower).

    Do you mean to point that because there are still regions with higher IE usage dictates the overall trend? That any studies which show IE usage lower are merely Anti IE studies? We're talking about a situation where 1-2% can represent over 20-30 million users. That's a lot of users to blithely discount because of complacency.

    You want some links? I didn't just pull numbers out of my pants. Here's some, a mixture supporting each range of the spectrum. Which are accurate and which are not? And how will you determine which are "Unbiased."

    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
    http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news...le.php/3409691
    http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3442841
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4037833.stm
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    >Bobdole, I tried to post a link from FF to the BBC which didn't work, it demostrates a fault I have already posted on the FF forums, it was showing a film of the David Blunkett saga, but before I could do so, I happened to try adjusting the sound level, which wiped out the picture and a few seconds later froze completely...


    Thats not a bug in FF that's a bug in WMP Plugin... talk to MS
    Hmm

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    You see what I mean?

    >>> Thats not a bug in FF that's a bug in WMP Plugin... talk to MS

    Is Joe going to?
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    >>Is Joe going to?

    lets hope Joe does. If we just bend over everytime something breaks the standard but "works" for MS, the situation isnt going to get any better.

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