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    Holy crap

    This is like some philosophical ****, or something.

    Some people have found that in the Torah, you can make a matrix of phrases and search within them to make codes (The Bible Code on the history channel or discovery, I forgot). Anyway it had stuff from ancient to very recent times. Anyway what the bible said is that earth will be annihilated in 2012 by the comet. Just think about this - if this is true (bible predicting future, not just comet), how much knowledge would have to be put into this? Not only is it a story of people in the past, but an encrypted book of the future? Holy sh!t, it makes you dizzy. Anyway, what do you think?
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    First of all, it's really annoying when people add punctuation into cuss words to get by the filter, so please stop that.

    Second, I was interested by the date: 2012. That's the same year the Mayan religious calendar predicts as well. December 13th IIRC.

    Third, while I do believe the Bible to be true, and that some of this Bible Code stuff is probably legitimate, in a text that big, you can always find patterns, so I wouldn't read much into it. For one, few of the "original language" manuscripts are reliable IMO because errors could have made even between those manuscripts and the true originals, not to mention intentional damage done during the crusades. Moreover, the Bible claims that no one knows that date but God (with one exception to be found in one interpretation of the book of Revelation).

    Interesting, but I'm afraid I find myself suspicious of this particular one.

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    Also, you comment the possibilities that would exist if the Bible was a prediction of the future. What do you think Mark 13 is? And many other chapters - that's just one that came to mind. While I do believe that rarely are things as "coincidental" as we think, I will again state that it is easy to read too much into this, especially when many times the same book warns us of spending too much time in a discussion just like this.
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    You can make matrix codes from virtually any book you feel like. Monkeys with typewriters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quzah
    You can make matrix codes from virtually any book you feel like. Monkeys with typewriters.

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    Right. Didn't some people get bored once and get Moby Dick to 'predict' various things? Talk about your load of BS.

    edit: Here you go. http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html

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    .....this thread has major flame potential, I suggest everyone is careful (somewhat) with what they say.

    Biblical codes, and general searching for something in scripture is not a new thing - not a new thing at all. Most of the things I've read about seem nothing but over hyped zelot conspiracy theories - many might seem as ridicilous as someone telling you that 2pac is alive (shut up cheez! ). Anyways, its a cool topic...and its even more fun if you, yourself start looking at this stuff. Even though what you might be looking for is probably not there, reading some of the most important texts ever written in our history is a good side effect

    Lurker, don't be smitten with colorful words which say something that might be comlpetely out od this world. I can't call scripture "just another text", but it is a text, and therefore could be interpreted in a platora of different ways - and some of these interpretations might be very far fetched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KEN-
    Right. Didn't some people get bored once and get Moby Dick to 'predict' various things? Talk about your load of BS.

    edit: Here you go. http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html
    You beat me to it with your edit. I was going to post the link. Had to have my fiancée look it up, because she had mentioned it the other day.

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    The assassinations of no less than ten world leaders is foretold in Moby Dick (edit: same link as above). Be skeptical.

    The Straight Dope: What's up with the "Bible Code"?

    How about getting these people who predict the end of the world to sign away all their assets on the day after? That would sort out those who believe their prediction from those who are just out to make a buck. How many times was the world supposed to end in the last decade anyway?
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    weird stuff...I wanted to mention Moby Dick in my post as well - that proves it, Melville must be in heaven and he is hooked on cboard like the rest of us.

    some entropy with that sink? entropysink.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by quzah
    You beat me to it with your edit. I was going to post the link. Had to have my fiancée look it up, because she had mentioned it the other day.

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    Hooray, I beat Quzah! Do I gain super-coding abilities as a result? (ps: congrats on the fiancee)


    Anyhow, on a lighter note, the possibility of getting struck by an Earth-crossing comet or asteroid isn't too far-fetched. The Earth (and moon, and just about every other solar body) has been struck by them tons of times before, and we obviously can't watch the whole sky at any given time, so it's not too far out. Interesting to entertain the thought that the whole of human existence could be wiped out in a matter of hours.

    Shoemaker-Levey, anyone? Wowweee.

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    Meteorites that could cause major damage if they hit a city are relatively common on a geological time frame. Fortunately a large meteorite has a good chance of hitting somewhere on the 95% of the earth's surface that isn't covered by a city. Meteorites that could wipe out human life on earth are much much rarer.

    >> Interesting to entertain the thought that the whole of human existence could be wiped out in a matter of hours. <<

    Unfortunately, this is many times more likely to be caused by a full scale nuclear conflict than a mega-meteorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonytmouse
    Meteorites that could cause major damage if they hit a city are relatively common on a geological time frame. Fortunately a large meteorite has a good chance of hitting somewhere on the 95% of the earth's surface that isn't covered by a city. Meteorites that could wipe out human life on earth are much much rarer.

    >> Interesting to entertain the thought that the whole of human existence could be wiped out in a matter of hours. <<

    Unfortunately, this is many times more likely to be caused by a full scale nuclear conflict than a mega-meteorite.
    Well that's comforting; at least it's something that could be avoided! Even though my Astronomy teacher insists that we could "probably" deflecting an Earth-crossing object if we maybe almost sort of kinda hit it when it was way the hell out there.

    edit: Also, wouldn't striking the oceans cause significant environmental impacts as well? Maybe not as cataclysmic as hitting land, but certainly there would be massive tidal waves at the least.

    PS: Shoemaker-Levy striking Jupiter. I think these images are awesome.
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    I have done some internet reading through mostly scientific resources on the topic and a meteor crashing would destroy the ability to inhabit somewhere between 25% and 50%(it was a long time ago) of the world's currently populated land through mainly tidal waves and rise of the ocean through various possible causes.

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    In my opinion, I think that most biblical texts are written in a generic way, like US constitution, such that it can keep being interpreted differently through time, and adjusting to new times.
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    I donno. Look at the size of these craters. I suspect that were we to get hit with something that can leave a crater 26km in diameter, it would cause just a few problems. And that's the smallest one listed there. Now try something that leaves a crater 300km in diameter.

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    >> Also, wouldn't striking the oceans cause significant environmental impacts as well? Maybe not as cataclysmic as hitting land, but certainly there would be massive tidal waves at the least. <<

    Yep, good point. You also have to consider collapsing islands (or not) and volcanos. This is a fun thread.

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