Iraq Combat Footage

This is a discussion on Iraq Combat Footage within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally Posted by Thantos Considering that ROTC is not in the military and considering that there is no marine rotc ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos
    Considering that ROTC is not in the military and considering that there is no marine rotc take a guess.

    Note since I see this question coming: Marine officers come from:
    Enlisted ranks (Marines have the highest percentage of former enlisted officers),
    people who have their degree and join up directly,
    the naval academy (something like 10% are allowed to become marine officers),
    and some navy rotc (not sure on the %)
    You're most certainly wrong, there IS a marine rotc, we have that at my school and I had the option of joining it (although I didn't know about it until after I joined ARMY ROTC...I was going to enlist in the corps instead of going to school but plans changed) and saying I'm not in the military is the same as saying you aren't a marine until you finish boot camp...in that respect they're both true statements. Upon graduation, I become a second lieutenant, and I have the option of going on active duty or being in the reserve, or national guard, etc.

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    Well I have never participated in ROTC so I have no idea how well they prepare you. At least for Marine boot camp the biggest challanges were more mental than anything. As such I don't think there is anything that can prepare you for it. I can't see it being that much like the military because its only at the college, its not 24/7, and there is no threat of the UCMJ if you refuse to do something.
    ROTC, even the ARMY counter part, isn't as bad as being enlisted in the corps, but the PT is hard, and I do get yelled at by sargeants on a regular basis, and I also think I could make it through parris.

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    Thantos, maybe you could tell me what your former corps colleagues think about ROTC? I was under the impression from most of the Navy and Air Force personell that I have talked to that ROTC is absolutely nothing at all like the military and that it doesn't even really prepare youfor boot camp. The reason I am wondering is I am actually thinking of maybe doing some of the Military Science courses(for ROTC members), and don't want to waste time with something that is worthless except on resumes.
    the classroom part of it is a joke, and a very small percentage of the time we spend doing rotc stuff. four days a week we have PT at five am and noon, which consists of whatever-in-the-hell they want us to do. The week usually starts off with a four mile timed run on monday and tuesday, then later in the week we do something like '12 minutes of fun' (timed push ups, crunches, sit ups, all that I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly), guerilla drills (lifting the rifle above your head), or anythign else. Note that the ARMY RANGER challenge consists of much harder PT, usually forced marches, and then land navigation.

    Once a week we have a two hour lab, which usually consists of us crawling around the woods with the rubber duckies(fake m16s) practicing squad formations with our BDUs (battle dress uniforms), LBE (load bearing equipment), kevlar (our helmets) and whatever else they force us to carry.

    Earlier this year we learned how to rapell off of tall I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly. A few times a year we go out to the target range with the real stuff and shoot rifles. We fly out there on blackhawks. We also do camp-outs and junk, as well as have "military simulation training" (we play paintball )


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    main difference between officer school and being enlisted in general:

    -enlisted training is much more brutal, but doesn't last as long, and you aren't also taking any real classes at the same time.

    -officer school isn't as brutal in the 'in your face' sense, but lasts four years, and on top of that you still have to somehow try to get good grades.

    and, officers are technically supposed to be able to boss around the enlisted men...but everybody knows its the NCOs (master sargeants and experienced sargeants) that command most of the respect, unless the officer already has a lot of experience.
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    You're most certainly wrong, there IS a marine rotc
    http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/websites.nsf/education does not list a single MC ROTC unit. They are all MCJROTC or NROTC.
    saying I'm not in the military
    If you walked away and gave the CO the finger what is the worse that can happen to you? They kick you out of the program? If someone in the military did that they could face brig time. Someone in ROTC has no fear of being sent off to war the next day. See you are not in the military.
    Upon graduation, I become a second lieutenant
    My understanding is that unless you are recieving a scholorship there is no military obligation afterwards. And even the people that do join up still have to do through the branch's officer training courses.
    and I do get yelled at by sargeants on a regular basis
    Do you get yelled at from the moment you wake up till the moment you go to sleep every day for 13 weeks? Trust me nothing prepares you for it until you get there.

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    http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/websites.nsf/education does not list a single MC ROTC unit. They are all MCJROTC or NROTC.
    *shrug* We have NAVY ROTC, and then MARINE ROTC here

    If you walked away and gave the CO the finger what is the worse that can happen to you? They kick you out of the program? If someone in the military did that they could face brig time. Someone in ROTC has no fear of being sent off to war the next day. See you are not in the military.
    Same thing that happens to a retarded recruit at parris...you get your ass handed to you




    My understanding is that unless you are recieving a scholorship there is no military obligation afterwards. And even the people that do join up still have to do through the branch's officer training courses.
    And you can't graduate unless you become contracted







    Do you get yelled at from the moment you wake up till the moment you go to sleep every day for 13 weeks?
    Nope, just while I'm there

    Trust me nothing prepares you for it until you get there.
    Being yelled at by real, excessively mean sargeants doesn't prepare you for being yelled at by other real, excessively mean drill sargeants? So you're saying that coming out of this program is the same as if I had never had the experience of being yelled at by a sargeant at all?

    I beg to differ, ROTC gives me a very good taste of what to expect, and I HAVE been under VERY intense stress for several hours on end (doing our pre combat equipment check before going on a weekend-long field training exercise), but I don't get yelled at all day, because i also go to school (engineering).

    Also note, I haven't claimed that ROTC is the same as being enlisted, the enlisted side of it is much more brutal, for the time that it lasts.

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    and yes, I have seen the making marines video put on by the discovery channel

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    what was your MOS?

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    and if you are a Marine, why in the hell haven't said some junk like

    ARMY stands for "Aint Ready to be a Marine Yet"

    You're SUPPOSED to be poking fun at me...ass
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    I'd be interested to hear (if anyone knows much about both sides) how the SAS training courses compare with American Military boot camps.

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    sas is special forces bub...are you comparing sas to enlisted, or sas to our own equivalent special forces?

    Also, we have a number of various special forces, the navy has them (seals), the army has them (rangers/green berets), and now even the marines have their own special forces (even though marines are also under the navy, and they sort of consider themselves like special units already).

    All in all, from the books I've read (one by a former seal named richard marcinko, his biography, as well as 'twilight warriors', 'marine sniper' which is about carlos hathcock during the vietnam war, and a few other reference books on special forces) SAS is just as good as anything we've got...I've found that all of the special forces units themselves are pretty much equal, and it's the only aspect of foreign military that can compare to what we've got (probably because it doesn't rely as much on money).

    One of my english teachers in high school was a green beret.
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    edit:
    and yes, I have seen the making marines video put on by the discovery channel

    edit1:
    what was your MOS?

    edit2:
    and if you are a Marine, why in the hell haven't said some junk like

    ARMY stands for "Aint Ready to be a Marine Yet"

    You're SUPPOSED to be poking fun at me...ass
    Yes because they don't leave stuff out of those videos
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    Because I already know I'm superior

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    It is a pretty cool video. I think Novalogic's Joint Ops does a fair job of simulating combat (if that can be done at all) based on that footage.

    Whether you are anti-war or not those men have a job to do and I'd say they are doing a damned good job. Who am I to sit around in my cushy little house with no threat to my life and judge whether they should be there or not?? Whether we should or shouldn't be has no bearing on the job they are doing. They are following orders and ....kicking some major ass if you don't mind me saying so.

    I salute them.

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    Because I already know I'm superior
    ha, that's more what I expected
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    I don't know what that actually translates to, what is it?
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    that is Electronic Switching Equipment Technician, right(if it hasn't changed from Vietnam era).
    there used to be something here, but not anymore

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    that's cool

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    Ev is right. I worked at Inside Plant South, Telephone Systems Branch, G6, MCB Butler, Okinawa

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    That's cool. Most recently I had an uncle who was in the Air Force stationed there. He got to see an SR-71 landing before we admitted it existed.

    I also had a grandfather who on Okinawa towards the end of the fighting in WW2.

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