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    > there was a company with social responsibility

    That fairy tale sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caroundw5h
    I keep hearing the market is bad, but this article just seems to make it worse and worse. Have any of you been a victim of loss of employment? Is it really this bad?
    My wife just got a job this week after being unemployed since March. The jobs just aren't there, especially when you don't have experience (She has only been out of school for a year and a half and didn't really have applicable experience.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by novacain
    >>and you cant really expect companies not to outsource jobs

    Once upon a time in a land far, far from here there was a company with social responsibility.
    A company that did things out a motive not associated with increasing its profit.
    I am going to play devil's advocate here, just so the other side of the story can come out, but try not to take it the wrong way, because I know where you are coming from. Here's the conservative approach:

    - The purpose of a business is to create profit
    - Telling CEOs of companies who they can and cannot hire is viewed as un-American.
    - If you were the CEO of a company, can you honestly say you would hire fewer Americans, at a greater cost, and hurt your profits?

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    It's also a bit sketchy for me to say too much as I'm still a student, and I'm not burdened with the real life dilemma of needing to find a career, yet. I just hope the economy fluxes in my favor by the time I get a degree.
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    Sept 2001 out of work until June 2002. Worked form June 2002 until March 2004, then lost job again. Now I have to jobs one as a test proctor and the other as a sales clerk. Now, making 60% less than I used to. If it gets any worse I'm going back to my coconut tree with its oceanic view.

    When the economy is bad, the question is how long can your industry "rides the wave before your affected."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ober
    My wife just got a job this week after being unemployed since March. The jobs just aren't there, especially when you don't have experience (She has only been out of school for a year and a half and didn't really have applicable experience.)

    In your experience do you find that if you have expereince on projects like on sourceforge and freshmeat that they would be impressed or more inclined to hire you? I was just wondering because alot of these ads say "degree or relevant experience" and i was curious what that entailed.

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    >>In your experience do you find that if you have expereince on projects like on sourceforge and freshmeat that they would be impressed or more inclined to hire you? I was just wondering because alot of these ads say "degree or relevant experience" and i was curious what that entailed.

    If you don't have a degree in Australia there is no chance unless you have over a decade of experience. Online stuff is usually not accepted by the recruiters here as they have no experience of it.


    - The purpose of a business is to create profit

    Sure.
    But the current business model is you have to increase profit each quater.
    Trouble is there is finite amounts of profit to be had.
    Business is now looking at cost saving to get the increases in profit.
    The areas they are targeting are wages and safety.
    The government goes along with the wages as if we have too much disposable income there will be a rise in inflation.

    - Telling CEOs of companies who they can and cannot hire is viewed as un-American.
    Not all of us live in America but I get the point.
    The point is to maintain the local economy. As a small cog in the whole.

    Where are the companies workers spending their wages?
    What compensation are the workers receiving when their jobs are sent overseas?

    - If you were the CEO of a company, can you honestly say you would hire fewer Americans, at a greater cost, and hurt your profits

    I think you mean more local workers at a greater cost, and hurt your profits.

    Yes. If I could still make a profit.

    But then I am not paid millions more if the share price increases.
    Look up the relative increases in executive pay to 'blue collar' wages over the last decade. Then tell me the company can't afford a local workforce.
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    I actually agree with a lot of what you've said novacain, and I'm glad you took what I said the right way. I just think that there's not enough of a conservative view on these forums, so I decided to say what I thought one would say, just for the sake of discussion.

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    Not all of us live in America but I get the point.
    Blerg, yeah

    I think you mean more local workers at a greater cost, and hurt your profits.
    Yep again

    But then I am not paid millions more if the share price increases.
    Look up the relative increases in executive pay to 'blue collar' wages over the last decade. Then tell me the company can't afford a local workforce.
    And you're right, those that run the companies want the big profit.
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