Bush vs. Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkness
    Not that it matters, as Bush is in office.
    No, its ok. Believe me, I understand why you thought that. That's what the media says constantly.

    There are two kinds of people who use the phrase "tax cuts for the rich"
    1. People who don't know any better.
    2. People who for political reasons are trying to manipulate people who don't know any better.

    Thanks for being open minded Darkness
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    Well maybe the people don't know any better because all of their money goes for taxes so the tax cuts can go to the rich, and as a result they can't afford to eat nutricious food, and are left like all those people in the one Simpsons episode where they were fed gruel and lost their mental powers to discern so they could be brainwashed, and Homer took all of their gruel and so he was not affected in the same way, but kept singing the batman theme song...or something like that...

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    edit:
    this post was directed towards FYB.
    I would highly prefer that you explain yourself a bit more. I remember watching Bush during rallies on CSpan not even trying to deny that he gives tax cuts to the rich. This is actually what impressed me most. If all of this data you sent me is accurate, I would have thought that he would have flat out denied giving tax cuts to the rich. Instead, he said the rich would 'find better ways of hiding their money' and that they would 'hire expensive lawyers...instead of expending their money on taxes'. It was the words from the man himself which solidified my views, and I am actually being completely honest with you.

    I'm sort of confused right now, but my vote would have changed anyway.
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    So what exactly have you proven here? The rich pay more taxes? Everyone knows that. The point of the "tax cuts for the rich" argument is that they don't actually need tax cuts. They're doing pretty damn well on their own, and as Reagan proved, giving tax cuts to the extremely wealthy doesn't exactly jumpstart the economy.

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    Where are you getting off complaining that those who voted Kerry are uninformed? Are you saying that everyone who voted Bush down to the last hick out in the slogs of Alabama are any more informed on the issues? Both sides use propoganda to preach to those without a brain, don't act as though liberals are the only ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJYelton
    Where are you getting off complaining that those who voted Kerry are uninformed? Are you saying that everyone who voted Bush down to the last hick out in the slogs of Alabama are any more informed on the issues? Both sides use propoganda to preach to those without a brain, don't act as though liberals are the only ones.
    Ah, but at least I have illustrated it by example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez
    So what exactly have you proven here? The rich pay more taxes? Everyone knows that.
    Oh? They do?
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    Well, I guess I was wrong then. Everyone stop listening to me.
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    Darkness, this isn't an attack on you. And I apologize for using you as a means to an end here. But it is important that people use more than campaign slogans to make decisions.
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    It's cool, and you weren't a jerk, but being on the receiving end of being proved wrong still sucks

    Read my post above. I actually thought I had my facts straight, and that I was making a decision that was more informed than average. Plus, it's not like I'm going to become a raging conservative now, unless you systematically prove me wrong on every other reason why I didn't vote for Bush. Both of my parents work in healthcare, and they typically get to see the 'real side' of things with that...that would have been like my family being rich, and I would have seen the real situation with taxes.

    Then there's the war...but, that's a lot I'd rather not park in.
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    It's not for me to "prove you wrong" on everything. I would only suggest that you ignore politicians and political people when they speak. This includes much of the news media. Find out facts, real facts before you vote.

    edit: You deserve positive feedback
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    > I would only suggest that you ignore politicians and political people when they speak.

    I will second this. A good rule of thumb is if you wander into a bookstore and see a book by someone who also gives their opinion on TV, ignore that person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FillYourBrain
    come now, you know the answer to that!

    Let me help the liberals out here for a moment:
    - he started a war for oil
    - he gives tax cuts to the rich
    - he's stupid
    - he's anti-abortion
    - he's Christian

    Should I go on? Or should we just recognize that most here are young and inexperienced in life. After all, if you are under 30 and you aren't liberal you have no heart but if you are over 30 and you are not conservative you have no brain.

    There's a reason that liberals push the "get out the vote" crap. They want the young and inexperienced in the voting booth because they fall for those lines. The "civic duty" to vote that they are always spouting on about actually not intended to mean that you have a civic duty to think before you vote. Thinking can always be done for you by Hollywood after all.

    just remember, "vote or die mutha fu**er!!!"
    I've got a few reasons:
    - His foreign policy sucks. That is, he feels that the military should be intervening around the world. There is no reason why we need any military presence in many of the nations in which we have a military. The proper role of the military is denfense. We do not need a separate bureaucracy for that. (This has been increasingly the state of things over the last century, particularly since the end of WWII). Entangling foreign engagements have been the cause of many problems in history, and yet we keep creating them for some odd reason.
    - He claims that he will not reinstate the draft (which he very well may not -- there is no evidence at the moment suggesting that he will), yet for some reason he refuses to do away with selective service registration.
    - His attempts to ban gay marriage is an attempt to regulate morality. The government should have no role in how people choose to live there lives (registering it, let alone banning certain combinations).
    - The war on drugs is ridiculous. Firstly, the reason there is a war on drugs is largely the result of US foreign policy. Secondly, what people choose to do with there lives is their own business. And the government should not say that some drugs are okay, but others are not as they do now. That is a person's own choice. (And, no, I don't do drugs.)

    There are more, but I'm not terribly inclined to write a whole lot. Also note, these are all reasons not to vote for Kerry as well.
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    Ahh... and if anyone is interested, here is a good paper on voter ignorance. It is disturbing to see how completely out of it many voters are: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=2372
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