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    I think, that the religion is for the weak people, for those who don't belive in theirselves.

    Am I right?

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    The V.

    a strong will shapes the self, molds the self into the form you desire.
    There is no relation between shaping yourself and a strong will, it depends only on what kind of will you have. The human brain is a neural net, everything you define is based on the structure of your brain and what you've learned in your life. Your current moral is a set of lies, because the probability that your moral will be proven wrong, and with time also completely disappear, is very big. Look back in history, most of the morals people had a few hundred years ago are already gone. This cycle will not stop, even your beliefs are fading. There is only one thing that is not a lie: Death.

    Morals are simply an extension of self control, which is the hallmark of any strong will.
    We all have just a strong self control, your self-control is based on emotions, mine is based on emptiness. Your moral is already judged. Brought to life, then crushed to dust.

    Further, any strong willed person will be a creator
    Everything you create is something we can destroy. You're just like me, but so far below - reaching for the darkness with insight.

    you would realize that death, decay, morals, etc. are not harmful things
    Darkness is always harmful against your kind. Just look how you complain and suffer as fast as one of you sees their destiny. If you accepted that, you wouldn't be alive, it's the opposite to life. You don't accept your truth, you hide it, that's life. Just one single glance would transform your smiles to cries forever.

    anyone with self control will find certain actions "good" and others "bad".
    Which are just 'randomized', changing, and finally dying definitions.

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    I think, that the religion is for the weak people, for those who don't belive in theirselves.
    You're just as weak if you believe in yourself.

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    Your current moral is a set of lies, because the probability that your moral will be proven wrong, and with time also completely disappear, is very big. Look back in history, most of the morals people had a few hundred years ago are already gone.
    Meep. Sorry to interrupt you again, but what you saying is not logical. Let's say someone believes in god. No matter if he is proven wrong later, he is not a liar. Probabilities doesn't make anyone a liar. Speaking of his believes doesn't make him a liar. He believes it, so he is not lying. He might not be right either, but there is a difference between lying and being wrong. Lying implies you know better. And no matter how far I look back in history, the basic morals of the peoples that actually survived are still in place.

    Therefore I have more rights than most people because basicly I don't have a moral.
    No. Everyone has the same rights. How many of the rights the single person uses is another matter.

    You do have morals by the way. Else you would be a psychotic, gibbering crazy fool. Well... now that I think about it... maybe you are right. Just kidding.
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    Originally posted by Series X4 1.0

    There is no relation between shaping yourself and a strong will, it depends only on what kind of will you have. The human brain is a neural net, everything you define is based on the structure of your brain and what you've learned in your life. Your current moral is a set of lies, because the probability that your moral will be proven wrong, and with time also completely disappear, is very big. Look back in history, most of the morals people had a few hundred years ago are already gone. This cycle will not stop, even your beliefs are fading. There is only one thing that is not a lie: Death.
    Again, you return to this rather poor argument. Simply because the ideas I believe will not be believed forever *in no way* makes them less real. I created my own morals, and as I don't plan to teach others my moral code, I fully expect it to perish with me when I die.

    You seem to follow that rather foolish school of thought that, because different people can hold different truths, meanings, morals, etc., that there is no such thing as truth, morality, meaning. Applied to tangible objects, that's like saying the fact two people can dress differently means clothing can't exist.

    We all have just a strong self control, your self-control is based on emotions, mine is based on emptiness. Your moral is already judged. Brought to life, then crushed to dust.
    I don't seem to be the one emotional here. My self control is based on my will -- I will myself to be a certain way, I will myself to behave in certain manners. You are the one whose every sentence seems driven by despair.

    Everything you create is something we can destroy. You're just like me, but so far below - reaching for the darkness with insight.
    Of course created things can perish. So what? If the goal of the creator was to create something which endures forever, then this might be a problem. As it is, any good creator will realize the ephemerality of his work, but this does not thwart the creator. Everything is ephemeral, but this doesn't mean that things cannot serve purposes while they exist.

    Somehow, you keep reiterating the point that things will change, or end, like it invalidates their entire existence. If my apartment burned to the ground tomorrow, does that mean it provides me any less shelter today?

    Darkness is always harmful against your kind. Just look how you complain and suffer as fast as one of you sees their destiny. If you accepted that, you wouldn't be alive, it's the opposite to life. You don't accept your truth, you hide it, that's life. Just one single glance would transform your smiles to cries forever.
    Actually, I don't complain OR suffer. You are the one who talks about how life is empty and meaningless, I talk about how life has purpose and is worth living and loving.

    Death is not the opposite of life -- death is only part of life. You focus almost obsessively upon it. Yes, I would like to not die -- although I recognize death of things is necessary, I also have the will to continue living. But I cannot change death, I merely accept it and focus on the life that I have now.

    The truth that I will die doesn't make my life today any less meaningful -- I am alive today, regardless of whether I am alive tomorrow or not.

    Which are just 'randomized', changing, and finally dying definitions.
    Not randomized -- chosen in accordance to the will. As to the fact that beliefs can change and end, again, so what? The beliefs are still real, even though they change and die. They still serve a purpose for the will which creates or chooses them.

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    My girls the devil!

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    Devil is a spiritual thingy.

    Spirits do not have gender.

    Get it now?
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    Satan???

    It does not exist.
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    Devil is a spiritual thingy.

    Spirits do not have gender.
    Finally, we're getting somewhere.

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    How can people believe in such nonsense things and YES the religion is one of them.
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    I respect people's beliefs so long as they don't try and impose them on me. Not wishing to have my head bitten off in saying this in answer to your perhaps rhetorical question...

    ...Indoctrination?

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    Satan in 'his' true from is more real than all of of you together. I'll leave a message to the ones still young, curious, and open-minded enough before I leave this world, the others should not enter. It's your choice, hate it, worship it, make it appear ridiculous, you'll all contribute to the truth as long as you're not blind. Or you can continue to ignore and hide it, and one day, the day you get cancer or the day you get a gun to your head, maybe you'll scream out loud as well.

    http://listen.to/watain

    Will you continue to love the rabid death's curse for your entire life? Available at mp3.com - just as an introduction for you, from my Swedish dying friends.

    http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/622/622020.html

    Goodbye, my dear insect.

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    I'll leave a message to the ones still young, curious, and open-minded enough before I leave this world, the others should not enter. It's your choice, hate it, worship it, make it appear ridiculous, you'll all contribute to the truth as long as you're not blind. Or you can continue to ignore and hide it, and one day, the day you get cancer or the day you get a gun to your head, maybe you'll scream out loud as well.
    Are you always this cheerful?

    The question regarding whether there is a Satan or not or what his/her/its gender is matters not one little bit in my daily life. I think I'll go develop some films...
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    Or you can continue to ignore and hide it, and one day, the day you get cancer or the day you get a gun to your head, maybe you'll scream out loud as well.
    So we should all live our lives in a self inflicted semi paralysed state because one day we're going to die? Every human being lives for a bit and then dies, get over it.
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    Yeah!!!!!!! We will ALL once going to die so FACE IT!
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    You're already dead.

    Pendragon:

    To answer your question, I'm not cheerfull, I'm just just a realistic soul.

    So you don't care about Satan? Well, don't ignore him, he'll get sad and even more evil.

    Can't you tell me the answer to that question now? I sort of knew him, we emailed. GOD, I have an obsession. I know that I'm acting a little bit odd, but please! It's for us both.

    You have about 10-15 days left to tell me, or, it's more like I have about 10-15 days left to listen. The society will kill me.

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