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    Is the world so bad that you need to show it so much contempt?
    Yes, the core of mankind is just emptiness and darkness. All the lights we are creating in this darkness are fading lies. The truth of all lies, and all life, is death.

    We are all being 'used' by the evolution. All your feelings are instincts, they are there to control you, you're a robot - if you learn to understand yourself you'll go to 'hell'.

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    Yes, the core of mankind is just emptiness and darkness. All the lights we are creating in this darkness are fading lies. The truth of all lies, and all life, is death.

    We are all being 'used' by the evolution. All your feelings are instincts, they are there to control you, you're a robot - if you learn to understand yourself you'll go to 'hell'.
    That's good old SeriesX4 1.0. Always looking on the bright side.


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    Always looking on the bright side.
    Just like you then, Pendragon.

    Can I ask you something? (Here you're telling me "yes"!).

    What's your relation to David McCabe (the genius)? I never really got that part... Please tell me! Sibling or girlfriend?

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    (Here you're telling me "yes"!).
    Here I'm telling you "no"...

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    Can't you just send me a PM with the answer?

    Yes, of course you can! I believe in you Pendragon, and you really want to send Series X a private message! Am I not right?

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    Series, you are THE most disturbing person I've ever seen on this board, and note that I had a screen name before this one. You have such a negative outlook on this world. You should have some faith in it.

    You say death is here to crush our lives. Well, why do you believe that? Do you know what happens after death? If you don't, you have no right at all to say that. In my belief(Christianity), death begins a greater life, HEAVEN. Even if you don't believe that, you have to believe in something, because anhilation after death is just not logical.
    What will people say if they hear that I'm a Jesus freak?
    What will people do if they find that it's true?
    I don't really care if they label me a Jesus freak, there is no disguising the truth!

    Jesus Freak, D.C. Talk

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    Series, you are THE most disturbing person I've ever seen on this board
    Good, I think that's fun. Mybe you'll learn something from me, and then you can help me and 'Satan' to make this world a better place.

    Do you know what happens after death? If you don't, you have no right at all to say that.
    In my opinion I have more rights than you have (for one thing I have the right to say what I want). In my belief-system death will kill us. In your belief-system, death will reborn you into a greater life. You 'need' to bee nice and follow your internal rules, I don't.

    death begins a greater life, HEAVEN. Even if you don't believe that, you have to believe in something
    I don't have to do anything. Too bad for you, isn't it? I'm free and dead, and you're just a fading lie.

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    Series, you are THE most disturbing person I've ever seen on this board
    Most people seem to think so... But personally i enjoy most of the exchanges between him and others. He always has a completly different opinion on the subject. Plus its interesting to observe other people reactions to these opinions. I rarely (or quite possibly never) agree with him but its always interesting.

    I'm not going to volunteer an opinion on the subject at hand though... Been there done that; Rather not take part in what invariably degenerates into a flame war.
    "There's always another way"
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    How can you not believe in something? What is life to you?

    BTW, I retract saying that you have no right. You do. That's freedom, something I BELIEVE in. Well, have fun with some more flames at me. =)
    What will people say if they hear that I'm a Jesus freak?
    What will people do if they find that it's true?
    I don't really care if they label me a Jesus freak, there is no disguising the truth!

    Jesus Freak, D.C. Talk

    -gnu-ehacks

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    Just my opinion.

    >>In my opinion I have more rights than you have (for one thing I have the right to say what I want). In my belief-system death will kill
    us. In your belief-system, death will reborn you into a greater life. You 'need' to bee nice and follow your internal rules, I don't.

    Correct.
    As religion was created by the lazy and rich.

    Hear me out.
    In the begining, pick any culture, we started to get a surplus of food. As not all of our time was devoted to survival we could ask the eternal question.
    WHY?

    Some smart guy realised he could stay at home and be fed/respected if he could answer the big question.
    In the middle ages it changed to a form of repression so the masses did not rise against the few who had all. Look at the feudal system and tell me what kept the masses from revolting?

    Now we have TV and media spin. Religion is not needed as we are seduced by the the idea we have the ability to get rich/happy/famous. Look at the TV evangelists, we get them here (US ones) in Aus, late night, 'send me money for your eternal love'. Even religion has sold out to the new god, MEDIA.

    What will be he next generations religion if ours is the TV/dollar?

    >>death begins a greater life, HEAVEN. Even if you don't believe that, you have to believe in something
    NO you don't. You have to make the tough choice, throw away your crutch.
    After this there is NOTHING. Get used to it. We live, we die. Start living for the life between, not for the life after or you might find you missed it.

    Why are we so conceited that we have to believe that there is a higher purpose to this? That we are destined for higher things?

    PS I was raised a Methodist. Went to church everyday until I was 17.
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    novacain, if you don't believe in anything, why try and convince me that you are right? Also, what does a right have to do with religion? That's just being religiously biased, which is wrong no matter what you believe in. If you don't have morals, then you have nothing to live for. What do you believe is the purpose of life, if we are to just be gone?
    What will people say if they hear that I'm a Jesus freak?
    What will people do if they find that it's true?
    I don't really care if they label me a Jesus freak, there is no disguising the truth!

    Jesus Freak, D.C. Talk

    -gnu-ehacks

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    I will stick my $0.02 in. I'm simply a pragmatist. I realize I can never know, until I die, whether there is a life after this one. But, I do know something -- I have THIS life, and THIS world, so I should enjoy what I know I have. When I die, I'll find out if I get anything more. Until then, it's a moot point, because however the universe may be, I certainly have no power to change it.

    And, I think my life has equal meaning whether or not there is an afterlife. Just because something ends doesn't make it pointless. Just because my life may not fit into some grand plan, and just because I may simply cease to exist doesn't mean I can't have meaning, purpose, etc. when I'm alive.

    I don't require a greater whole for my life to be meaningful -- I find meaning in my life itself, I find reason to live for myself, for my dreams, for those I love. If I get another life (reincarnation, heaven, or whatever) I'll handle that life in exactly the same way.

    I find believing in either heaven OR the lack of heaven to be unnecessary. Neither belief can be proven, and neither disproven. And believing either way won't change the fact that exactly one belief is right, and nobody knows which one.

    Further, the issue of whether or not there is an afterlife has no bearing on how I conduct myself in this one. I have morals, not based on religion, but based on the desire to help others. I don't act good in the hopes of a better world than this, I act good because I hope to make this world better. If there is no god/heaven, I've still had a life filled with meaning and purpose. If there is a god/heaven, then surely I've done well by them as well -- as what greater compliment is there to any artist than one who seeks to fully admire and appreciate their work?

    So, because the existence or absence of heaven/god really doesn't affect how I will conduct myself on earth, I'll live my life, and one day I will die, and then I will experience for myself whatever is beyond. Until then, I'm perfectly happy to hold no opinions at all.

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    gnu-ehacks, I am not trying to convince you of anything. As I said at the top of the post, my opinion.

    Prahaps it because I think that too many evil deeds are done under the guise/protection of religion. Could be I think you deserve the right to come to your own conclusions as I did.

    My epiphany came in Nepal. I was talking to the Crazy Baba (holyman) of Singapore. He cut an inch of his left arm each year to prove he did not need worldly goods. When I met him he was past the elbow.
    What if his religion/belief was yours( or mainstream), would you cut your arm off bit by bit to gain eternal happiness in the afterlife? (It is only a step from eating the flesh of Christ)
    What is to say that his theory of the religion is less valid than mine / yours / any-other?

    >>What do you believe is the purpose of life, if we are to just be gone?
    That is the point. Live for HERE & NOW. Nothing else. Treat all with the respect that you expect until they prove they are not worthy of your respect.

    Why do you feel that there HAS to be a higher propose?
    "Man alone suffers so excruciatingly in the world that he was compelled to invent laughter."
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    Just like to say that Novacain.......I totally agree with you....

    I was raised a Christian...went to a Christain school (cuz my freinds went there) and it convinced me of one thing......this holy rolling crap is not for me.......

    We live...we reproduce...we get old and we die........end of story.....sure we all want to beleive that death is only a beginning.......its harder to realise that this is it.....no more...no sequel.....no rerun......

    Religion was probably the most effective control of civilisation ever imagined...."We treat you like an animal all your life and you will be rewarded in heaven"......yeah right!!!!....for me the fact it is around still today backs this up

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    How can you not believe in something? What is life to you?
    For each individual human being, life is to be trapped in a dying, aging body, programmed with lies to make us act as we are 'told'. Except for all the lies, we're filled with the greatest of emptiness. Together our bodies form the evolution - which is a war, a chaos, in which we are dying and being sorted out to find the most efficient offspring, to be replaced with the next generation of life. This will lead mankind somewhere, but we are temporary, we are here in a primitive stage of the evolution.

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