Presidential Debate (US)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpp!n
    he just needs to be himself and think a little more.
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    true enough

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    Just a reminder, the only VP debate is tonight.

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    Just a reminder, the only VP debate is tonight.
    suppose to be the best since the VP forum started. Also a deciding factor in the polls. Must watch
    Hmm

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    Polls for the results of last night:
    CBS news
    Dick Cheney ...19.18%
    John Edwards ...79.16%
    Neither man. It was a draw ...1.65%

    AOL
    John Edwards ...51%
    Dick Cheney ...49%

    CNN
    Dick Cheney ...18%
    John Edwards ...78%
    Evenly matched ...4%

    Fox
    Cheney ...(46%)
    Edwards ...(53%)

    MSNBC
    Dick Cheney ......32%
    John Edwards .....68%

    Yahoo
    Cheney ...33%
    Edwards ...63%
    Tie ...6%

    Wall Street Journal
    Dick Cheney ...360 votes (5%)
    John Edwards ...6858 votes (94%)
    It was a tie ...102 votes (1%)

    Time.com
    Cheney ...7.9%
    Edwards ...89.8%
    Draw ...2.3%

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    As one reporter stated, the poll results from last night are nearly as important as what they'll be today or tomorrow.

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    That's true; those are web polls, but they were all that was available when I looked this morning.

    I didn't actually get a chance to watch this one, but the impression I'm getting from reading different news stories is that it was a lot more even the the presidential one. That sound about right?

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    Don't know myself, haven't had a chance to watch either thanks to school. But I'm getting the same impression of eveness.

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    I watched it and even though I tend to disagree with a number of things Cheney said, I'd definately call the debate even. Cheney was fairly calm and factual while Edwards seemed pretty worked up but unfortunately kept tripping over his words and making mistakes. Didn't learn much new though, just a lot of the same arguments as last week with a couple extra questions on healthcare. The moderator was just as bad as last week, messed up a lot on who's turn it was to answer questions and consistantly let them (especially Edwards) use too much time or cheat and continue to discuss previous questions even though a new question had been asked.

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    I saw last nights. I would have to say that Edwards won, but it was much more even than the presidential one (it helped that both people were able to articulate English words). At any rate, it seemed that for the first half or so, Cheney was just making personal slams on Edwards (which did get Edwards a bit worked up by the end).
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    I watched some of the VP debate, and it seemed like they did a whole lot better than Bush and Kerry, although I'm not sure why...

    Anyways, there was only one thing I heard that really affected me at all--the part where Edwards said something about Cheney voting to get rid of certain weapons and something about the company that he worked for...All Cheney had to respond with was a repeat of what he said about Kerry and Edwards always voting wrong or something.
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    I thought that the polls stated that some stations liked dick. Very few but some.
    I feel the dick and bush campaign has been based on slander and not what they will do for the country, other than attack anyone that they feel do not conform.
    personally this debate did show that dick and bush have something beyond the need for "hooked on phonics" or speach 101. I'm not the one to down anyone, but I expect more from the president. on another topic, has anyone seen the propoganda farenheit 9.11. it was just released on video, and wow that makes up for the right wing slander against kerry and edwards. To make a long point short. Neither side has proved why they should have my vote. *steps off soap box* sorry to waist your time with my ramblings.
    p.s. why do you kill people to show killing people is bad?
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    The basic flaw I find with both parties is that neither side is willing to articulate an actual ideological motive for their actions. They are willing to state "what" they will do (or rather, what they think the electorate wants them to say they'll do), but they always focus on concrete examples, and never an underlying motivation for their actions. Granted, you can get a sense of one by watching them (and it is one that I very strongly oppose on both Democrat and Republican sides), but you really have to be looking for it.

    Something people here may be interested in reading, a study from the Cato Institute about voter ignorance: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-525es.html
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    that is a pretty good article.
    but how can a voter really know the truth behind the politicians convictions.
    Or as they say be educated enough or be able to make a difference.
    if you have educated yourself as much as possible with the issues at hand, how do you know that the presenter of that is not providing you just fallacy to get your vote.
    like you said, tell them what they want to get into office, then conduct yourself in the opposite.
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    supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach L.
    The basic flaw I find with both parties is that neither side is willing to articulate an actual ideological motive for their actions. They are willing to state "what" they will do (or rather, what they think the electorate wants them to say they'll do), but they always focus on concrete examples, and never an underlying motivation for their actions.
    I'm not sure whether I agree with that or not. What I have seen is candidates saying what they plan to do, but not how they plan to do it. For example, I heard Kerry repeat several times how he plans to gain more allies for the war and such; all of which is quite a good idea, but I haven't heard much of a plan on how to do it. Although to be fair, I haven't been following everything as closely as I should (maybe when I'm 18 I'll start listening a bit more)
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