Attempt at Paypal Hijack

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    "If indeed his site was hacked, why would he put in a number one digit off if it is his real domain?"

    If I were a scammer, I wouldn't go anywhere near buying a domain name with my real name, my real credit card number, or my real phone number -- and I would probably pay the extra $5 or so to hide my fake registration information through a proxy buyer. The fact that the phone number is off by one digit doesn't really convince me that he's a spammer (unless he is an incredibly foolish scammer, in which case he will likely get his due soon enough without your hassling him). I think a typo is a far more likely explanation -- especially because changing a single digit in a phone number is a really pathetic way of spoofing data.

    The domain name itself is also not conducive to scamming. He could at least have chosen something a little bit less personal than I Ronald.org. I think it's far more likely he wanted to use the domain as a personal site. (Or someone wanted to make it look like his site.) The better scams I've seen tend to use legitimate-sounding domain names that one would associate with a scam. The only reason I can see for using something like ironald.org is because it was on a server left conveniently undefended.

    If you really feel the need to be an upstanding citizen, you could contact his site's host (though they seem to be aware of the issue already) or the FBI, who are far better equipped to dealing with scammers. I also find it unlikely that the scammer pulled the page because he was looking at the referrer logs and reached this site -- my instinct would be that the page was pulled because someone reported it to the host of ironald.org, who then changed the permissions on the directory to prevent people from being scammed while maintaining the evidence. I find this more likely than the alternative explanation because if I were a scammer, I would prefer to keep my link up and simply filter individuals referred from Cprogramming.com; why waste the leads from the advertisement, if at all possible? (If he were a true amateur, then perhaps the mention of threats to call him or submit his site to Paypal's abuse department would cause him to pull the page. Then again, I find it hard to believe a true amateur would be checking the referrer logs.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by webmaster
    I also find it unlikely that the scammer pulled the page because he was looking at the referrer logs and reached this site -- my instinct would be that the page was pulled because someone reported it to the host of ironald.org, who then changed the permissions on the directory to prevent people from being scammed while maintaining the evidence.
    I would have to agree with you...

    http://ironald.org/

    This is just a hijacked site that wasn't ever used by Mr. Ronald.
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    But in the mean time this scam probably netted a bucket load of $$$.
    The PayPal spoof I got ended up being an off shore deal, eastern Europe if I remember it.

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    You mean there are suckers that actually fall for crap like that?

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    Howdy,
    I just guessing...

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    No, I know you were joking. My point still stands.

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    The FBI probably wouldn't do crap. They don't come into play unless you are rich/powerful or a boatload of money is involved (think 10s or thousands).

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    eastern europe? forget about it, they have I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly all Internet legislation. one thing they fo have is the mafia reminds me of an article about casinos getting racketed (newsweek?) for people DDOSing their servers.

    and i may add that if everyone wasn't using windows, their wouldn't be enough tcomputer to pull these kindof tricks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonytmouse
    You can report the matter to paypal. Surprisingly, you have to have an account and sign in to report a scam.
    You do not have to have an account to report fraud. There is a link on the front page that gives an email to a spoof paypal address that I forwarded the offending email to. They promptly responded with an automated, and then a more personal email saying they were looking into it (and probably led to the server being shutdown).

    >>and i may add that if everyone wasn't using windows, their wouldn't be enough tcomputer to pull these kindof tricks.

    STFU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ober
    STFU.
    could you elaborate that a bit?
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    The statement you posted has no type of correlation to the problem.

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    yeh, sorry. just a small rant on the evolution of cyber-crime.
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    PayPal are 'Threatening' Me

    On a slightly different topic, I am currently being inundated with 'threatening' emails from PayPal - not hoax emails.

    Sometime ago I used my PayPal business account to accept some money from a customer - a relatively large amount by PayPal standards. I knew I wasn't going to use PayPal again, so I removed my credit card details from my account (I was going to close the account but thought I'd leave it open just in case I needed it again).

    A few months ago I received an email from PayPal saying my account was 'under investigation' and cannot be closed. They said I MUST supply then with credit card details or they would 'esculate' the situation. Because this 'esculation' is obviously not going to involve closing my account, I was left wondering what they are going to do to me - send the boys round and beat me with a stick with a nail in it, or tell the police that I am a criminal or what?

    I have sent them several emails, but they won't respond. I have rang them, but they were less than helpful. The only advice they could give me was to close the account - which I can't.

    Since then I receive regular emails telling me that I MUST COMPLY, which I'm determined not to do. I cannot see that a private company should be able to force anyone to hand over their credit card details.
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    I agree with you Davros, If they don't want to help, screw em. I'd call thier bluff.

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    Just don't go back to the site. Screw them.

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    Wow, that's interesting Davros. I'd like to hear how that goes for you.
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