"...the results are undefined, and we all know what "undefined" means: it means it works during development, it works during testing, and it blows up in your most important customers' faces." --Scott Meyers
wow that looks pretty cool. im downloading it right now...so i cant comment yet on how it is....
that guy they hired for modeling really looks freaky.
edit: i tried downloading it from their 1kb/s server but then decided i wouldn't leave my comp on for 3 and half years. way to go microsoft
Last edited by Xterria; 07-02-2004 at 06:41 PM.
i try to avoid even the stable software from microsoft, and this is a beta. so i'm not sure how this will perform. i'm installing it none the less for experience. we'll see how it goes. thanks for the link.
EDIT: sitting for 5 minutes and still @ 0% download. doesnt look that promissing here either.
Downloaded fine for me. I tried it at here at work and compiled a few simple projects. Everything looked to be in working order.
"...the results are undefined, and we all know what "undefined" means: it means it works during development, it works during testing, and it blows up in your most important customers' faces." --Scott Meyers
Anybody keen on some of the features it has which the previous don't? Do they support export yet?
Straight from Microsoft:
"windows.h is part of platform sdk. platform sdk is not included in VC++ 2005 Express"
"...the results are undefined, and we all know what "undefined" means: it means it works during development, it works during testing, and it blows up in your most important customers' faces." --Scott Meyers
yeah I tried to compile a window program and it kept saying it couldnt find a file called "windows.h".
Does it mean that the platform SDK will be a separate download? or just not supported?
I think the sdk is already a sepearate download. This is a download for Visual Studio 2005. You can get a .NET sdk with complete comman line compilers for most, if not all, of the languages, and some other tools. At least that is my understanding, I could be very wrong.
http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/...sdk/sdkupdate/
this could be it. Large download though, so i'll try it later
Yes thats the new SDK but it is separated into cab files for convenience sake. It is huge but the info contained in it is well worth the effort and the wait.
I'm quite impressed that MS is making this available for free as well as the main components of the Visual Studio 2005. While I realize these are betas....I'm still impressed.
Perhaps they've learned something from their fight with Sun and from their recent experiences with big accounts and clients converting to open source solutions instead of updating with MS.
A step in the right direction for MS I think.
And my download for the Express was done in almost a minute. Not sure why you guys are having trouble. The SDK took longer...but thats to be expected.
Last edited by VirtualAce; 07-02-2004 at 11:48 PM.
The thing is the MSVC++ 2005 Express Beta wont let you do any WinAPI programming.. just console apps, and the whole .NET framework thing.
Step by step guide to compiling a windows project.
Once only:
Click Tools->Options
Expand Projects and Solutions->VC++ Directories
Use the drop down box to show directories for include files.
Click the new line button.
Add "C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDK\include" or where you installed the platform SDK.
Use the drop down box to show directories for library files.
Click the new line button.
Add "C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDK\lib" or where you installed the platform SDK.
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Per project:
Click on the project name in the solution explorer pane.
Click on the project menu->Properties.
Expand Linker->Input
Add needed libraries to the Additional Dependencies fields. Example: "User32.lib Advapi32.lib"
It does not appear to support ATL, MFC or resource editor but IDE, #import and debugging is supported.
that guy is no programmer. he's got a well kept beard
as for MS they learning the hard way: after Munich, Paris is turning to OSS for their needs (particularly OpenOffice). microsoft are apparantly going to give them a 60-80% discount. i hope they go with OpenOffice
Speaking of the success of Open Source programs, any body got an opinion on Mono? A few months ago I was told it sucked, and I was disappointed by how it turned out, but their latest version I think is quite good.
I'm not surprized MS is trying something like this. With the cheapest available version of Visual Studio .NET 2003 being over a thousand dollars (unless you're like me and you show up to one of the meetings, sleep through it, and then get the free Academic version), I know very few people who actually paid for it.
