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This is a discussion on Future President of US within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; I just wanted to hopefully start an intellectual discussion about the US presedential candidates. No flaming, no idiocy. As a ...

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    Future President of US

    I just wanted to hopefully start an intellectual discussion about the US presedential candidates. No flaming, no idiocy.

    As a starting point, http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...3.asp?GT1=3391

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    Im not big on the hold that bush had on taking action in iraq. While im not big on the fact that we are still there when we should not be, we should have gone in after osama september 11th.

    I'm interested in where the canidates stand on issues such as gun control, adoption, and offroad vehicle recreations, but i must confess until about two days ago i didnt even know who the canidates were.

    Not watching the news tends to keep me out of the loop.

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    ill tell you in november?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoD
    I'm interested in where the canidates stand on issues such as gun control, adoption, and offroad vehicle recreations, but i must confess until about two days ago i didnt even know who the canidates were.

    Not watching the news tends to keep me out of the loop.
    same here... and I don't really see how that link was supposed to start anything... all I can say right now is that I would probably rather give kerry a chance then to reelect bush...
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    Bush is traditionally known as the one w/corporate backings. That's why I posted the link.

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    kerry is more up my alley to i think, his daughter can get it

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    I don't like either candidate... I was for the war (because I was mad as hell at 9-11), but this should have been over long ago. I didn't even care if there are no WMDs. We got Saddam, (and I'm not trying to rationalize it, that's just my feelings). Buf they don't want us there, which they don't from the looks of it, we need to leave.

    And I think everyone knows either W isn't the brightest guy in the world, or he just doesn't have a strong grasp of the English language (or both). So it's a little embarassing at times to see his interviews or speeches. I'm really not a big Bush fan, but at least he did something about 9-11.. He's gone a little to far with it now... But in the beginning, I think it was good...

    But all I've really heard from Kerry is putting down Bush... I haven't really heard anything about what he stands for... Even from my roommate, who is a raging Pro-Kerry democrat (I'm independent), when I ask him what's great about Kerry, all he says is "he's not Bush" or "He's better than Bush"... That helps alot. He did actually say that Kerry has more political ethics than Bush, when I asked him to explain he tried to tell me that political ethics were different from normal ethics (he's a political science major)... This frightens me. But I've also heard about how Kerry flip-flops all the time... He was in the war, he protested the war (with Jane Fonda no less), he voted to lower taxes, but only after he voted to raise the same taxes... He said this, no he said that... I mean come on. And for some reason, he comes off as an arrogant jerk to me (I just get that vibe from watching him on tv), but that could just be me...

    I really don't know who to vote for... I think in November it's going to be picking the lesser evil (whoever it is)... This will be the first election I get to vote in, and all I've heard growing up is "voting is important", "it's your duty", "if you don't vote, you can't complain"... I want to complain!!! But not about who I voted for...

    <sarcasm>Why can't we have good honest candidates to choose from?</sarcasm> (That shouldn't have to be sarcastic...)

    Well, that's my rant... I can only hope I kept it intellectual.
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    rouss, congratulations. You may be the only person I've ever seen on these boards who discusses politics without spitting venom at one side or the other (most often at Bush).
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    Kerry seems to be just as conservative as Bush on a lot of issues. He's said that he won't necessarily pull out of Iraq, and he's also said he's voted for the 'largest defense spending in the history of the united states', but yet he is against the war. It's just confusing, and like many others I think they both aren't ideal.

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    I think if I ran for president and offered everybody free pizza every tuesday, I'd probably get elected, because it would, at this point, make more sense than what these other two guys are talking about. And I guess I left out Nader.

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    I don't think I will vote at all; the reason for this is that I rather vote for something than against something. i.e. I wont vote for Kerry just to vote against Bush...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FillYourBrain
    rouss, congratulations. You may be the only person I've ever seen on these boards who discusses politics without spitting venom at one side or the other (most often at Bush).
    Thank you very much. But I can't take all the credit. You can congratulate my lack of knowledge in the politics category (I really do get all my politics from The Daily Show with Jon Stewart). I've decided that I hate politics (well, the way that it's corrupt anyway). That's why I chose computer science over law (that and the money).

    I just don't see the point of arguing about anything over the internet. Even if you win, what's the point? More than likely you'll never even know the person you're arguing with, and they might not even read half the stuff you say... Arguing in person is much more fun. Especially if you're right... And I don't think there is a right side in the Kerry vs. Bush fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow12345
    I think if I ran for president and offered everybody free pizza every tuesday, I'd probably get elected, because it would, at this point, make more sense than what these other two guys are talking about.
    Free pizza? I would vote for you. Honestly.

    Quote Originally Posted by axon
    I don't think I will vote at all; the reason for this is that I rather vote for something than against something. i.e. I wont vote for Kerry just to vote against Bush...
    That is a good point... More people need to think about if they are voting for someone or against the other person. What good is a vote when you don't want any of the choices? It's like when you're with a group of people, and they can't decide where to eat, so they vote. Half vote mexican food, half vote chinese food... And you want pizza. Either way, you're stuck with something you didn't want for that hour of lunch... We're about to be stuck with mexican food or chinese food for four years...

    Unless we all vote for Shadow12345, then we can eat what we want and have pizza every Tuesday.

    Well, I'm sorry about the whole 'keeping the discussion intellectual', I kinda blew that one...

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    I personally like the action in Iraq, no matter what president did it or how they did it I have been hoping for this for a while, so I like whats going on.

    Recently I have stoped watching the news because they seem to focus on the bad or whatever will get them more viewers.

    People are too offensive and touchy on political subjects and no one ever agrees 100% so everones always arguing. It all just seemed pointless and like my opinion will change anything anyways, all I tended to do was cause big arguments where it's everyone vs me. Oh well I think these type of topics should be closed because people are too offensive/touchy and they always get out of hand. On top of that half the "facts" people get are false or so far to one side it fogs up the truth.

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    Look. Questions concerning the legitimacy of Bush's election arose, Questions about the US involvment in Iraq are up, and question's are up about 911 and who new what in Bush's administration. The fact that they arose lead to the suggestion that perhaps all is clear on the truth front. Questions about Clinton arose and we booted him out. I know we got Bush in trade but lets get Kerry in there to clean up.
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    We didn't boot Clinton out. He never got impeached (though they tried to), and he had two terms. He couldn't run again.

    /edit (add on)/ And we got Bush because Gore wasn't elected (one way or the other). But who's to say Kerry will clean up? There's already questions about his record with the truth... It's a dirty road either way you look at it...

    Can I ask what you think Kerry will do to 'clean it up'? And what exactly he will clean up?
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