This news story will make you mad as @!$#

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    This guy is shipping your job overseas!!!

    This guy is getting rich off of taking away good paying jobs.


    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...urjobandshipit
    Last edited by VirtualAce; 04-28-2004 at 06:07 PM.

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    You're right, that is bull...........
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    That is pretty messed up but still: "If you're a Web programmer, I'm sorry, you have no right to think you can keep your job in the U.S. if you're using the same technology that existed four years ago," Vashistha says. "You've got to keep moving up. You've got to keep going back to school…. If you're not going to do that, you're going to lose your job."

    He has a point there but corporations should not export jobs oversees or else we'll end up with a larger upper class and smaller middle class.

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    >>But there is good news too: In the long term, companies that save money this way will generate new jobs, he says, which will go to workers who are willing to reinvent themselves.

    Sounds like crap to me...

    In the meantime we have high unemployment here and people over in other countries working for less than they deserve
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    >>In the long term, companies that save money this way will generate new jobs, he says, which will go to workers who are willing to reinvent themselves.

    Yeah..absolute rubbish - companies invest in foriegn outsourcing to save payroll costs...then they will use those savings towards other jobs dreamed up as a consequence! Total rubbish. The only reason for doing this is to create a higher Earnings Per Share ratio for shareholders

    It's sad that all sorts of jobs are vanishing locally as they are all being transfered to places like India where the companies can pay a pittance for labour. My sister works for a pretty big bank and they are all worried that soon their jobs will dissapear as thier services are transfered across the globe...though in this country (UK) I cant see anyone political fighting to do anything about it. Far too concerened with Iraq and whatever women is sleeping with David Beckham at the moment!

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    Its a global economy. Live with it.

    P.S. You can tell I'm not from the USA or the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Shamest
    Its a global economy. Live with it.

    P.S. You can tell I'm not from the USA or the UK.

    Feel free to STFU until your company starts exporting YOUR job else where. Your dick headed comments dont add anything to the discussion.
    Last edited by spoon_; 04-29-2004 at 08:25 AM.
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    I agree, it's a global economy, live with it.

    If an american loses his $80,000 a year job and has to work at Blockbuster for $15,000 a year, he is still living better than the person in India who got his job instead. Those who complain sound like a bunch of whiners.

    If you lose your job because of outsourcing, well, yes, that sucks for you, but that doesn't make it wrong. It's really the same idea as when companies move jobs from big expensive cities to smaller towns with lower costs of living and can therefore pay lower salaries and make more money. Just because it is now another country doesn't make it any different in my eyes.

    And my company (based here in the U.S.) has outsourced jobs to developing countries, although they haven't gotten rid of mine, yet. I guarantee you that I'd feel the same way about this issue if and when it does happen. It isn't personal.

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    good for him

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    the main reason why companies here in the U.S. and elsewhere are exporting jobs is because of the tax breaks. You must have overlooked that, HUH? How is that good? U.S. companies contributing to the deterioration of their own economy by sending jobs elsewhere because of tax breaks?

    Ohhhh right, who cares if i lose my 80,000 dollar a year job and have to work at blockbuster for 15,000 a year. Wow, where did my $50,000 - $75,000 dollar education go? THIS IS ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE. That tax break is RUINING some americans quality of life. Its not right.

    Honestly, I really hope you eat <Mod edit> and you do get outsourced, we'll see if you take that $15,000 a year job, fool.

    Must be a republican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoon_
    Honestly, I really hope you eat <Mod edit> and you do get outsourced, we'll see if you take that $15,000 a year job, fool.
    Actually, I'd be happy to do it if that was necessary. Of course I doubt it will be. Even if my job is outsourced, I have the skills and the mindset to get a different one that is heck of a lot better than at a video store. Of course, that's why I feel lucky to live in the U.S. Even those who don't have skills can find a way to make a decent living compared to people in the rest of the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by spoon_
    That tax break is RUINING some americans quality of life. Its not right.
    Umm, sounds like whining to me. "Oh no, I can't afford to eat at The Olive Garden any more. I have to buy generic canned goods so I can afford to put my children through college! It's just not right!"
    Quote Originally Posted by spoon_
    Must be a republican.
    ?? Sarcasm ??

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    If you don't want to be outsourced, the solution is simple. Be a leader, show potential, learn all the new technologies so that employers see you as a valuable asset to the company. Competition is what its all about. If you can't handle spending an hour a night studying new stuff then maybe you deserve to work at blockbuster because that guy in India is able to it enough so that he gets hired (because companies still want quality employees).

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    Its obvious that some of you don't realize what outsourcing really is all about. Those that are saying we are whiners obviously either have not been in the work force long or have been duped into some pious false dream of a global economy. There is more at work under the table folks and if you can't see the writing on the wall then you are not paying much attention to whats going on. And its also very easy to say those things when its not YOUR job on the line.

    Show some respect, show some courtesy, show some dignity, and more than that try to care for someone other than just yourself. If you do not have any constructive or at least somewhat mature and knowledgeable comments other than personal attacks - DONT POST HERE - we don't want your feedback. You can disagree all you want but getting personal and making attacks or statements like we are whiners simply shows the maturity level of the poster. Better for you to remain quiet and us think you are an ass than for you to post here and remove all doubt.

    There are a lot of people that are unemployed right now and a lot of families that are suffering here. As far as the other nations go they suffer due to their governments and other circumstances, not because of us. I'm rather sick of the victim mentality as it relates to other countries. The United States and other countries like the UK and Europe did not just magically become some of the world's richest countries...we all worked hard for it and we'll be damned if anyone is ever going to take that from us. Now they think handing jobs out to other countries is going to magically create some new global economy. It's pure political bullcrap and it will bite them in the butt down the road.

    BTW I'm a Republican and I'm not for outsourcing so I'm not sure where the comparison therein lies.

    Let's see how this guy would like it if we suddenly canned him and outsourced his job. Have a heart people.


    If you don't want to be outsourced, the solution is simple. Be a leader, show potential, learn all the new technologies so that employers see you as a valuable asset to the company. Competition is what its all about. If you can't handle spending an hour a night studying new stuff then maybe you deserve to work at blockbuster because that guy in India is able to it enough so that he gets hired (because companies still want quality employees).
    You honestly believe that?? In the amount of time I've been in the workforce it is not your performance that determines where you get...it's who you know and how much butt you kiss. Pure and simple. That might work in the classroom and discussions but unfortunately what you stated, although it sounds good, fair, and reasonable, happens infrequently in real-world business.
    Last edited by VirtualAce; 04-28-2004 at 11:03 PM.

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    There's isn't any conspiracy going on. Its basic economics.

    A manager or CEO looks at everything in terms of resources (not patriotism, unless required by law). If worker A in country A is cheaper than worker B in country B, its a no-brainer which one the manager/CEO will choose.

    Let's say a country decides to stop outsourcing its products. So it passes a law that forbids it and so companies can no longer outsource. What happens? Cost of production go up and companies will have lower revenue and profits. So, they raise their prices on their products and services, making their products and services less competitive then other countries' products. In the end those companies will lose out. They will then slash their workforce anyway.

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    Bubba, I assume that you were for the most part referring to me, since I was the only one referring to whining.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba
    If you do not have any constructive or at least somewhat mature and knowledgeable comments other than personal attacks - DONT POST HERE - we don't want your feedback. You can disagree all you want but getting personal and making attacks or statements like we are whiners simply shows the maturity level of the poster.
    Please understand the difference between "sounds like whining" or "sound like a bunch of whiners" and something like "you are just a bunch of whiners". There is a big difference. My point is that complaints about losing your quality of life ring hollow when compared to the quality of life of those who benefit from that practice. Also please note, that a better example of an unconstructive or immature comment that is a personal attack might be something like, "I really hope you eat <Mod edit> and you do get outsourced, we'll see if you take that $15,000 a year job, fool."
    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba
    Its obvious that some of you don't realize what outsourcing really is all about. Those that are saying we are whiners obviously either have not been in the work force long or have been duped into some pious false dream of a global economy. There is more at work under the table folks and if you can't see the writing on the wall then you are not paying much attention to whats going on. And its also very easy to say those things when its not YOUR job on the line.
    Again, I assume you are referring to my comments. While I might not have been part of the work force for very long, I can assure you that my very job IS on the line, and again, I guarantee you that I would say the same things regardless of that fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba
    Show some respect, show some courtesy, show some dignity, and more than that try to care for someone other than just yourself. ...

    There are a lot of people that are unemployed right now and a lot of families that are suffering here. As far as the other nations go they suffer due to their governments and other circumstances, not because of us. I'm rather sick of the victim mentality as it relates to other countries. The United States and other countries like the UK and Europe did not just magically become some of the world's richest countries...we all worked hard for it and we'll be damned if anyone is ever going to take that from us. Now they think handing jobs out to other countries is going to magically create some new global economy. It's pure political bullcrap and it will bite them in the butt down the road.
    Back to the actual heart of the issue, which is really an interesting one.

    My point is also that one should try to care for someone other than just oneself. If I cared for myself only, I would be outraged about outsourcing. However, I look at those (myself included) who could be affected negatively by it, and then those who would be affected positively by it, and I fail to see the reason for anger. Without paying attention to the nationality of those affected, it seems very likely that the idea is more beneficial to those who get the jobs than it is detrimental to those who lose them.

    Of course, this affects real people, and I do sympathize with those who lose their jobs because of it. It is not an easy thing to go through. But any anger about the injustice of that outcome quickly disappears when I consider the life of the person who just got that job. In the U.S. at least, the opportunities are great to continue with a blessed life. That is especially true for those capable of receiving higher education or determined enough to get that job in the first place.

    If you were up for a scholarship you needed, but it was given to somebody else who truly needed it more, and that person wasn't any more qualified for the school than you, but just needed the money more, then would you have the right to be upset? Yes, you would have the right to be upset that you didn't get that scholarship. That doesn't mean it was wrong to give it to the person who needed it more. That doesn't mean that somebody who doesn't know you should be upset that it didn't go to you because you lived in the same neighborhood and you needed it.

    Of course, companies that outsource are not doing it to be helpful to workers in other countries, but I still don't see how you can be angry when they need it more. I'm sorry, it just sounds like whining. We are spoiled here, even when things get worse, they are still great.

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