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    enlightening discussion...

    theres to little of it here... what do programmers need more than discussions of various topics by experts in the field... like do's dont's, whys and why nots, hows, etc... not tutorials not books... just discussions... reasoning... things of this nature... right now everythings just one big circle... big stagnant pool of the same questios we've answered a thousand times...

    no more syntax... give them technique!!!! no more simple answers... give them ideas!!!no more tutorials... give them inspiration!!!! we must create a programmers republic!!!! a programmers utopia!!!! a board not for the newbies but for the programmers!!!!

    JOIN ME COMRADES AND LET US BRING ABOUT OUR GOAL OF A PRORAMMERS UTOPIAN DREAM! i will end the tyranny of the modrators that quash anything not in accordance with their newbieist viewpoint! we must bring an end to newbies ruling what was once ours and bringing all discussion to a level of their minimal understanding!!! we must once again rule the inernet as our fathers once did!!!

    ok, seriously though...
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    RAWR!!! Fire the moderators and elect 1 person to watch over us! Of course, history has proven this method to be best of all!

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    As much as I would love a forum for programmer's mind melding, I honestly don't think it would be very active. Most of our members are either not capable of handling discussions at that level or are unwilling to look at the art of programming past their current syntax issues. Those that are both capable and willing are in the minority, so such discussions would be slow and infrequent I imagine.
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    But you have to know not to do something before you can know why.

    Before you have a discussion on why or why not to use void main(), you have to know what it does and that you shouldn't use it.

    Give the newbies why's/why nots, and they will eventually become programmers.

    Set the rules before you explain and debate them.

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    I think the discussions of why and why not help the programming community. First off new members will learn what to do and what not to do so we dont have to answer it many times a day. Second it serves as a reference incase we need to polish after not programming for a year. We dont need another forum for high level discussions...all forums contain higher end members and n00bs that tell you void main() is what real programmers use. Anyways, you get the point...go start a topic yourself and see how it goes.

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    you can't do that for two reasons
    1) that would mean kicking me out, and that isn't happening
    2) what would you have done if you when you were a newbie and had joined this board? given up and gone to learn java (see other thread).

    on www.sitepoint.com they have a sub forum, in some forums, for advanced techniques. maybe c board needs that?

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    What the hell? I thought you were dead?

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    I was hoping.

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    Heh. Heh heh.
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    JOIN ME COMRADES AND LET US BRING ABOUT OUR GOAL OF A PRORAMMERS UTOPIAN DREAM! i will end the tyranny of the modrators that quash anything not in accordance with their newbieist viewpoint! we must bring an end to newbies ruling what was once ours and bringing all discussion to a level of their minimal understanding!!! we must once again rule the inernet as our fathers once did!!!
    Woohoo! Rebellion!!! Let's all blindly join the ranks and fight for a cause that our generals tell us nothing about!!!
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    prelude, i was starting to like you, dont go down with the old school... haha, ok, well still, there's like no place on the internet like that, well at least worth the time it takes to download the text... 99% of the programming internet is targeted toward the new programmers, the 1% is well hidden leaving intermediate and advanced, etc... with nothing... even if it is slow... its still worth it, it would at least be minimally productive, it actually would teach something beyond syntax, something with some substance or value...

    >What the hell? I thought you were dead?

    i get that a lot... wait no i was but i've risen to lead you all to a new era in... uh... programming boards for the programmers!!!

    >I was hoping.

    for me to return and once again return you to your I am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am sillydom, to govtcheez and ober.

    lurker, govt. gets you too if he will become one of my lieutenants...

    >Woohoo! Rebellion!!! Let's all blindly join the ranks and fight for a cause that our generals tell us nothing about!!!

    Obviously a spy brainwashed by the moderators.

    excellent idea Glirk you can be an honorary lieutenant untill i decide on a purge...
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    This call to arms reminds me of the writings of a brash man named Karl Marx. We all know what happened because of his ideas.

    I think it's better that we simply conserve the status quo because it works. Everything has its innate tendencies, and CProgramming.com's is to have similar questions asked often by the newbies. If we try to turn CProgramming.com into some sort of intellectual coders' paradise, we'll have ignored the essence of these boards. When you ignore the essence of something, you get an abomination (I won't cite specific examples here to avoid offending people).
    I am a programmer. My first duty is to God, then to nation, then to employer, then to family, then to friends, then to computer, and finally to myself. I code with dignity, honor, and integrity.

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    i hope your not serious... I SAID UTOPIA NOT PARADISE!!!!!

    Today i announce my 5 day plan, to put cprogramming on the road to our utopia... much like Russia during the time of Marx we are backwards and weak compared to our western neighbors, to make us once again the greatest power in the world!!! this five day plan calls for the elimination of the supermoderators who withhold their knowledge and fail to meet the quotas set by our new totalitarian regime, and like the kulaks of Russia, they must be eliminated!!!!

    MARX??!?! sure i guess but i was going more for Stalin... personally...

    now enough silliness... i would love to see this, something worth reading, i mean no insult to the people who answer questions here, seriously some of the answers are quite enlightening, but its only so once... we need to concentrate it and put it in on place... have seriously informative discussion of topics relevant or whatever it doesnt matter, we need to learn how to program not how to spell or when to put semicolons...

    i think Sayeh understood this read his posts... Sunlight got this... Salem... etc... even the webmaster at one point with the faq board tried something similar in some respect...
    where these were insufficient or driven away by newbie insolence... we must succeed!!!
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    The reason so much content is dedicated to newbies is because newbies usually do not know enough to be able to find their own answers.

    They cease to become newbies when they suddenly realise that programming is about thinking out their own solutions and not just cutting and pasting what someone on a forum said to do.

    At that point, most leave the forums, a few stick around and help the next crop of newbies do exactly the same. Always been like that, probably always will.

    I could site a place such as the mod board where all are long serving/suffering members as a typical place for deep philosophical discussion, right kind of place, does it happen? No. Why? Because we have lives away from the board where we discuss, chat, argue and attempt to create a real utopia rather then an imaginary one in cyber space.
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    you people take silliness way to seriously, and laugh at seriousness.

    adrian your right, but programming is at a stagnant state, nothing is advancing or changing as fast as it should, theres a huge skill/knowledge deficit, all new programmers know is technical and syntactical bulI am sillyI am sillyI am sillyI am silly, they dont know how to program, learning anything worth a damn is hellish, even things that are simple and easy to teach... this may not be a solution to the problem but its a start! sure it may start slow, but once we have even as small base, the newbies will learn and grow, and once they have something to build on then maybe they will be capable of contributing rather than leaving or following our footsteps.
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