riding the last wave of C++

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    riding the last wave of C++

    I don't know, but I feel as though I'm riding the last wave of C++ in high schools now. Java is taking over like communism and there is no C++ classes in high school anymore (at least none that I know of, some schools might have changed). But I honestly believe that once I leave my school, there will no longer be any big influence of C++ on the students, merely Java.

    For example, I teach C++ after school every wednesday to a group of kids who are interested in it, and I plan to do it again next year as a senior, but once I'm gone, more than likely there won't be anyone left to do C++ at my school. Next year they're getting rid of the C++ compilers, and replacing it nothing but Java *blegh*.

    I cringe to think that someday most games will be made in Java, and if things keep going the way they're going, I believe that in 20 years or so, there will be very few people in the industry who really know C++. Sure, you can learn C++ in college and university, but the fact that they removed C++ from the high schools makes it so a lot of students won't even hear about C++ until they're 18 or 19 years old!

    meh, maybe i'm wrong, feel free to argue with me, i'd like to hear other people's opinions on this

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    Oh please, there's always our good buddy INTERNET to help us find new languages.

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    >>Sure, you can learn C++ in college and university,

    sorry to burst your bubble, but most colleges and universities have also switched to java....

    some entropy with that sink? entropysink.com

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    oh, i thought they still offered C++ classes though...


    ken- I know, but i'm talking about people who have a background in actual learning of C++ in a class

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    >>oh, i thought they still offered C++ classes though...

    in my school, University of Illinois, the two intro courses, and then two algorithm and data structure classes are all thought strictly in java. For other, higher level courses, it depends on the professor...some really don't care what language you use, as long as you "make it work", and some are really anal about using one over the other....basically, by 300 level classes, they expect you to have enough computer science knowledge, that you can use any language after picking up the sytax differences.

    It makes sense to me...

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    BTW...I'm also the last wave of c++'ers

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    >Java is taking over like communism and there is no C++ classes in high school anymore
    Because Java is better for teaching. Who knows, in a few years there may be no Java classes, just Python or something similar.

    >I cringe to think that someday most games will be made in Java
    Unless Java goes through some miraculous transformation that makes it perform better for games than C++, this won't happen.

    >there will be very few people in the industry who really know C++
    I can live with that. C++ isn't my favorite language by far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jverkoey
    oh, i thought they still offered C++ classes though...


    ken- I know, but i'm talking about people who have a background in actual learning of C++ in a class

    I wasn't ever taught C++ formally until a few years after learning it on my own. Needless to say, the class didn't do much for me.

    >>I can live with that. C++ isn't my favorite language by far.

    So then what is?

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    i suppose what axon pointed out is probably the truest statement: that if you know enough computer science, you can pick up any language you'd like to.

    I truly support that, as I've found that it's pretty easy to learn other languages now that I know C++ pretty well, and i've made my own language too. I'm not saying that Java is an absolutely horrible thing (as you can do cross-platform stuff rather easily) it's just that I don't like that everyone is being forced to learn it and not being offered an alternative to learn C++ in a classroom environment

    -note-
    and i'll admit, i'm one of those people who is completely self-taught C++ (with the help of people here at cboard and stuff) but i didn't even hear about C++ until one of my friends who was in a C++ class told me about it.

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    Java is easier for teachers who dont know anything to teach in their classrooms. My senior year they decided to change the CS classes to java, so we all dropped the class. I mean everyone but maybe three people, in all the classes not just mine, marched into the classes offices and applied to drop it. Well rather than deal with that headache they let C++ finish out the year, and now its java.

    My neighbor takes the class now; Apparently my old retarded teacher (u guys member when she told me short ops were WRONG???) told him not to let me help him id never get anywhere in programming.

    He told her about how i had wrote some basic stuff for other students to fix her errors and she shutup pretty quick. He had one of my hack-job opengl FPS games in the class playing it and she got him suspended. Other kids play quake and get nothing, i assume its because he told her i wrote it, heh.

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    You make it sound as though Java and C++ are the only two programming languages in existence. There are plenty of other programming languages being used and, doubtless, different languages will be popular ten years from now.
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    well, i think that most people would agree that C++ and Java are the two most powerful languages of today

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    >>hat C++ and Java are the two most powerful languages of today

    most widely used....I doubt that they are most powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnregdRegd
    You make it sound as though Java and C++ are the only two programming languages in existence. There are plenty of other programming languages being used and, doubtless, different languages will be popular ten years from now.
    Welcome to cprogramming....

    We didnt say they were the only ones, its a discussion about how java is replacing c++

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    >i think that most people would agree that C++ and Java are the two most powerful languages of today
    How do you define powerful? Every language has strengths and weaknesses. They're all the most powerful in one way or another. Even 'most popular' doesn't cut it because you still have the scripting languages to consider. And then of course there is C, a parent of both C++ and Java that succeeded where those two failed.

    >So then what is?
    Wouldn't you like to know.
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