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    Originally posted by FillYourBrain
    This is unfortunate. I am a conservative and I know that is the minority around here but I can't stand the way Zakk presents himself. When I mentioned children talking politics, I did mean more than just Zakk though. The fact is, people are very idealistic when they are young. As they get older they realize that there is a more reasonable (and quieter) middle ground. Just be aware that these conversations are a waste of your lives. That is all.

    Peace.
    I was trying to decide whether you were trying to take a potshot at me but then I realized that I didn't care and I was all like "".

    >>"no blud 4 oil".

    Well I was going to trade you this O- for some of that crude petrol you have over there, but now I think I'll just take my business elsewhere! HARUMPH!

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    People have you ever thought why you rarely hear any good news about the occupation in Iraq?

    Simple answer - the press is liberal. We all know that. The press is very very liberal. It always has been. It always will be.

    And what is Bush? Conservative. Therefore, what do you think the press will report? I think we all know.

    Therefore, just in case you want to hear some good stuff about the occupation in Iraq, check this out:

    Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1st: the
    first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active
    duty.

    Over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security for their fellow citizens.

    Nearly all ofIraq's 400 courts are functioning. and the Iraqi
    judiciary is fully independent.



    On Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts-exceeding
    the prewar average.



    All 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open,
    as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

    Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than
    scheduled.

    Teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.



    All 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

    Doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.

    Pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700
    tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

    Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccination doses
    toIraq's children.



    A Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers ofIraq's 27,000
    weed-choked canals and now irrigates tens of thousands of farms.

    This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and
    women.



    We have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services
    and over two-thirds of the potable water production.

    There are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect 50,000
    by the year's end.



    The wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes
    to cars and truck, businesses are coming to life in all major cities
    and towns.

    Over 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and
    first-time and customers are opening accounts daily.

    Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses. and the central
    bank is fully independent.

    Iraqhas one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and banking
    laws.



    Iraqhas a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.



    Satellite TV dishes are legal.

    Foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and
    extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for minders and
    other government spies.

    There is no longer a Ministry of Information.

    There are more than 170 newspapers.

    You can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

    Foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.



    A nation that had not one single element of a representative
    government, now has all three: legislative, judicial and executive.

    InBaghdadalone residents have selected 88 advisory councils.Baghdad's
    first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city
    council elected its new chairman.

    Today inIraq, chambers of commerce, business, school and professional
    organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

    25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body
    inIraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.

    The Iraqi government regularly participates in international events.
    Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen
    international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly.

    The Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and the Islamic
    ConferenceSummit.



    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening
    over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world.



    Shia religious festivals are no longer banned.

    For the first time in 35 years, inKarbalathousands of Shiites
    celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.



    The Coalition has completed over 13,000 large and small reconstruction
    projects, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction ofIraq.



    Uday and Qusay are dead - they are no longer feeding innocent Iraqis
    to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force
    cooperation, torturingIraq's soccer players for losing games, or
    murdering critics.

    Children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree
    with the government.

    Political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed or
    forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

    Millions of long suffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.



    Saudis will hold municipal elections.

    Qataris reforming education to give more choices to parents.

    Jordanis accelerating market economic reforms.

    The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian - a
    Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for
    democracy and for peace.

    Saddam is gone.

    Iraqis free.

    The United states has not faltered or failed.

    Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the
    Press corps that prides itself on bringing you ALL the important news.

    Almost every Democrat leader in the House and Senate has openly fought
    President Bush on every aspect of his handling of this war, including
    the post-war reconstruction; and on a daily basis, they continue to
    claim on national television that this conflict has been a dismal
    failure.


    Taking everything into consideration, even the great and unfortunate
    loss of our sons and daughters in this conflict, do you think anyone
    else in the world could have accomplished as much as our country has
    in so short a period of time?
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    Originally posted by DavidP
    People have you ever thought why you rarely hear any good news about the occupation in Iraq?

    Simple answer - the press is liberal. We all know that. The press is very very liberal. It always has been. It always will be.

    And what is Bush? Conservative. Therefore, what do you think the press will report? I think we all know.

    Therefore, just in case you want to hear some good stuff about the occupation in Iraq, check this out:
    It's a Zionist conspiracy.

    edit: lol, did you get that in a chain email?
    Last edited by -KEN-; 12-14-2003 at 07:31 PM.

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    DavidP. Thanks for taking the time to post that. Many people on this board don't really respect my opinion because they are ignorant and don't want to listen to someone consitered a teen. I dinf many of you people on this board to be very closed minded which is sort of a shame consitering you are all really smart and you don't want to realise the good in the Iraq conflict. I think I'll end what I have to say right now so I don't get in a bunch of trouble with the admins.
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    one thing hit me real hard:
    The United states has not faltered or failed.
    did you froget why this was started? maybe weapons of mass destruction? did we find them? i think the united states failed to find those...

    seeing as the president's approval rating is hovering just above 50%, he must be doing something wrong...
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    Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
    DavidP. Thanks for taking the time to post that. Many people on this board don't really respect my opinion because they are ignorant and don't want to listen to someone consitered a teen. I dinf many of you people on this board to be very closed minded which is sort of a shame consitering you are all really smart and you don't want to realise the good in the Iraq conflict. I think I'll end what I have to say right now so I don't get in a bunch of trouble with the admins.
    No one was questioning that. Iraq's better off without Saddam; no one disagrees.

    We're just saying that if you think China is some super humanitarian paradise, you're dead wrong, and you do that kind of thing all the time in threads like this (remember when Clinton started the Gulf War?)

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    Have you ever lost something that you never found? Well thats sort of like the WoMD situation. Saddam had a lot of time to hide them from all the crap we did like send in investigators. He had many chances to hide them. His reason for NOT using them. Easy. He has many supporters. To show the world that the US was right would make him loose many of them. It would not be hard for him to bury them in the LARGE country.

    And Govtcheez. I never said that country is innocent. They have proven themselves to be cruel many times (IE POW situation and other wars.. Ghost Soldiers by Hampton Sides is a good read). Them and the Japaneese are sort of cruel from what I've read to POWS and overall criminals. I screwed up when I made that Clinton statement and I admitted it. I don't believe I have said anything stupid in this thread at all.

    As far as Saddam being worthy of an attack against him. Lets look at some points in his leadership.

    1988 March 16. Saddam gases Halabja with nerve gases (Also declared as the WORST chemical attack ever on a civilian place)
    1990 Aug 2. Iraq invades Kuwait.
    1991 Jan 16. Saddam orders targeting of Israel with scud missles
    1991 Saddam orders burning of Kuwaiti oil wells.


    Some live quotes from witnesses of Saddams attacks from civilians.

    Most people were in shelters and underground bunkers. When they realised it was a chemical attack they tried to get out, but most of them died in their shelters.
    "A bomb fell here - in this small area, between 250 and 300 people died. In my own family my mother, brother and two of my sisters died. In all, I lost 35 relatives.
    Dana Nazif's mother and four-year-old sister were among the 5,000 people who died in a single day in what was the worst ever chemical attack on a civilian population.
    Ok. With those statements said, how could you say that Saddam did not have the will to create WoMD. He murdered 5000 people with mustard gas and other chemical weapons in ONE day. Most being civilians. He sounds like a person we would want to be a leader of a country. Then lets add up the accounts of rape/murder/threats/beatings/everything that has occured by Saddam and his generals to civilians whom wanted to speak their mind. Give me a break Govtcheez. You may think my comments are stupid and uneducated, but I think I might have a little more common sence in this matter than you are showing.

    **Oh and you're "are not just saying" anything. More like calling me an idiot and a child.
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    Ok he is a crazy murdering bastard why did he not use his horde of WMD?

    Dont forget the USA vetoed a motion by the UN to punish Iraq back in the 90's when they where killing their own folks... Dont forget the "Prevention of Genocide Act" the senate was trying to pass against Iraq for the gassing the kurds, where did that act go? Can you guess?
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    I agree. Iraq has had biological and chemical weapons programs in the past, and the present is not the only time we have had trouble locating them.
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    And Govtcheez. I never said that country is innocent. They have proven themselves to be cruel many times (IE POW situation and other wars.. Ghost Soldiers by Hampton Sides is a good read). Them and the Japaneese are sort of cruel from what I've read to POWS and overall criminals. I screwed up when I made that Clinton statement and I admitted it. I don't believe I have said anything stupid in this thread at all.
    First of all, I read that. I enjoyed it.

    Second of all, THAT BOOK IS ABOUT JAPAN, YOU FLAMING MORON.

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    > You may think my comments are stupid and uneducated, but I think I might have a little more common sence in this matter than you are showing.

    Really? Maybe if you'd pull your head out of your ass for about 2 seconds, you'd notice I'm only talking about your retarded China comments, and not the stuff on Iraq. Feel free to dance on your soapbox, though.

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    Yes, yes. Saddam was a very cruel dictator. No one denies that. Anyways, it is clear that our invasion of Iraq was motivated by more than human rights concerns, because there are a slew of other countries that we'd also be invading if that was the case. China is one. East Timor and Turkey are others.
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    Originally posted by -KEN-
    >>Please stop being liberal.

    lol.

    Guys, you're not being fair. He watches the news, so obviously he knows everything ever. Let him speak.
    My bad

    >>With those statements said, how could you say that Saddam did not have the will to create WoMD. <<

    Consider that the case for war was made solely on stockpiles of WMD that were likely to be used within minutes to attack London, Jerusalem, and Kuwait. That's pretty much what Blair said in one speech (not verbatim, but the gist of it) and Bush, Powell, and John Howard (the Australian P.M.) was pushing for war on the same grounds.

    If humanitarian issues were the reason for the war, we should be invading China as I type this. But China is a very powerful ally to have - it's filthy rich and has a huge labour market. So of course we aren't going to invade them - who cares if, like, they kill people for speaking out against the government.

    If WMD were the real issue, why aren't we invading North Korea?

    I do not know the real reason for the war, but I do know is that the reasons given were shaking and seemed to change by the minute.

    Don't believe all the $$$$ you watch on T.V., read in papers, and in Time magazine.
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    Many people on this board don't really respect my opinion because they are ignorant and don't want to listen to someone consitered a teen
    To clearify, I don't listen or respect your opinion because I think you are a pot-head, naive, unexposed, and generally a moron.

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    Originally posted by mithrandir
    If WMD were the real issue, why aren't we invading North Korea?
    The correct answer to that is that there aren't any UN resolutions telling NK to disarm.

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    If only life were so simple we could draw the line in the sand and say "If you do this we'll attack." But its not so we must make comparmises for good and for ill. There is a certain amount of "looking out for our best interests" that each country's decisions are effected by. Iraq was a target that we could engage without major arms engagement. Trying to do the same to China, North Korea, and other countries would involve the type of war none of us are willing to risk.

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