View Poll Results: Do you agree with SIECUS and the SB71 law passed?

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  • Yes! Sex education for all! Woohoo!

    2 11.76%
  • Yes I do. I think it is wise. It will help prevent AIDS, HIV, other STD's, etc.

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  • No I do not. I think it is sick and disgusting that little children will be taught those things.

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    Question a law passed in california - SB71

    Have you all heard of this law? What do you think of it?

    I just read this article, tell me what your thoughts are on the article:

    The most vocal advocates of sex education are teaming up with the nationís largest teachersí union to urge Congress to take away the control of childrenís sex education from parents. The Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS) and the National Education Association (NEA) hosted a press conference in Washington today to once again advocate for explicit sex education.

    SIECUS publishes guidelines for sex education that call for children ages 5 through 8 to be taught about self touch and arousal, ages 9 through 12 to be taught different ways to seek sexual pleasure other than intercourse, and ages 16 through 18 to be taught about exotic fantasies enhanced by pornographic literature. The Health Information Network of the NEA has signed their support for these guidelines.

    "SIECUS and the NEA say they want parents to be involved, but looking at the facts, it just does not ring true," said Leslee Unruh, president of the Abstinence Clearinghouse. The Abstinence Clearinghouse is an international nonprofit organization that promotes abstinence education and parents as the primary sex educators of their children.

    "The NEA and SIECUS were both supportive of a SB71 in California, which was signed last week. That bill took authority away from parents and gave teachers the power to talk explicitly about sex to children of all ages. Parents do not support the messages that SIECUS and the NEA want to force on to their kids," said Unruh, referring to a Zogby survey comparing sex and abstinence education, released in February. When read direct quotes from the SIECUS "Guidelines on Comprehensive Sex Education," the Zogby survey found disapproval rates for the guidelines, with some statements garnering disapproval rates of more than seven in ten parents. The same study showed overwhelming approval (4.5 to 1) for the concepts taught in abstinence education.

    "For SIECUS and the NEA to attempt to push parents into giving messages to children that the parents are clearly not supportive of is unconscionable," said Unruh. "Parents do need to talk with their children, but not about SIECUS-style sex. They need to demonstrate love and healthy relationships so that their children can mature into adults that can sustain healthy, lifelong marriages."

    "The parent is the advocate of their child," explained Judy Gilliam, a 30-year veteran educator and assistant principal in Fort Wright, Kentucky. "I think we should teach respect for each other and respect for our bodies. I feel it is a parentís right to be the primary educator of their child. They have the right to say what should and should not be taught, especially in sex education. The parent knows the child better than any teacher."

    The Abstinence Clearinghouse is the largest nonprofit organization dealing with abstinence education and advocacy. The Abstinence Clearinghouse assists educators, medical professionals, parents and youth serving organizations to effectively educate adolescents and unmarried adults on the communication skills, relationship information and factual knowledge necessary to make a commitment to abstain from sexual activity outside of marriage. More information is available at www.abstinence.net.
    Obviously that article is from the "anti" side, and not the "pro" side. There are "pro" side articles out there too, it's just this is the first one I read.
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    SB 71

    It can guarantee kids proper sexual education. However, it also removes the rights for parents' freedom to teach their kids.
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    Abuse of child mentality.

    I completely disagree with such disgusting education. It is absolutely sick to indorse the idea to children to fondle themselves. I think that our world is evolving in a negative manner. Instead of humanity becoming more rational their thought process seems to have error. Instead of making progress it seems that 'Penis enlargment pills' are made. Instead of educating our children with useful information we'll show them how to jerk off. Instead of spending money on useful things, we'll spend it on homosexual parades. The next thing children will be told is that sex between them is encouraged at a young age. The next thing that your little girl will come home excited to tell you what she learnt in kindergarten is how to arouse herself. The next thing that we will see is mis-guided sex-crazed youth of the country making even more careless decisions about what to teach society. It can only get worse from here.
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    It is absolutely sick to indorse the idea to children to fondle themselves.
    No where in that article or the ones that wrath posted suggested that anyone would endorse the idea that children should fondle themselves. But the fact is, children that age do "fondle themselves" so I dont think there is anything sick or disgusting about teaching kids a little about what it is they are already doing anyways.

    The next thing that we will see is mis-guided sex-crazed youth of the country making even more careless decisions about what to teach society
    Education is the only way to prevent youth from being misguided and making careless decisions. As far as sex-crazed goes, I dont think there is much anyone can do about that

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    SIECUS publishes guidelines for sex education that call for children ages 5 through 8 to be taught about self touch and arousal, ages 9 through 12 to be taught different ways to seek sexual pleasure other than intercourse, and ages 16 through 18 to be taught about exotic fantasies enhanced by pornographic literature. The Health Information Network of the NEA has signed their support for these guidelines.
    Somehow I think this paragraph is misleading. No where on the ACLU link did they talk about "exotic fantasies enhanced by pornographic literature". I think the details about how the sex-ed will be given should be questioned, but I think what they are trying to accomplish is a good idea.
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    Those guidlines are given on SIECUS' published guidlines for sex education, which can be found on there website.

    Ages 5-8 can be found on pages 29-30
    Ages 9-12 page 31
    Ages 16-18 page 32
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    After reading most of the guidlines my initial suspicion was correct. That article is misleading. Taking everything in context I think the guidlines are a good idea. Futhermore the SIECUS isnt aimed to take away control from the parents and local school districts (as far as i can tell). In fact, they leave the actual implementation of the guidlines and the timing and manner in which the topics are introduced and discussed up to local school districts.
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    Level 1: middle childhood, ages 5 through 8; early elementary school.

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    Masturbation (page 30)

    Level 1:

    - Touching and rubbing one's own genitals to feel good is called masturbation.
    - Some boys and girls masturbate and others do not.
    - Masturbation should be done in a private place.
    I did not take that out of context. That is word for word.

    So...you want your 5-8 year old kids learning about masturbation? Go ahead, be my guest.
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    let me ask you something, what would be the harm in them learning the technical term for something most of them do or will do in the near future?
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    Originally posted by DavidP
    I did not take that out of context. That is word for word.

    So...you want your 5-8 year old kids learning about masturbation? Go ahead, be my guest.
    "Oh noes!!! Don't tell them about masturabation!!!! It's only a hop, skip, jump, and slippery slope away before they'll all be killing eachother!"

    Out culture has an unhealthy fixation on sex. It's nothing dirty, but people would sure have you believe that it is. Teaching kids openly about sex and their sexuality seems like a good thing to me no matter how you slice it.

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    Originally posted by -KEN-
    "Oh noes!!! Don't tell them about masturabation!!!! It's only a hop, skip, jump, and slippery slope away before they'll all be killing eachother!"
    The slippery slope for anything sex related ends at bestiality and pedophilia, stupid.

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    Damn, I knew that

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    Children should be educated about sex, I can agree. But this is most certainly not the method that should be used. There is an age where learning about sex is appropriate, and an age where it is not. Age 5 is certainly not when they should be discussing sex. It is similar to the idea of teaching a 5 year-old calculus, they wont understand. The same idea applies to sex. Little children learn visually, so how will they learn about sex at age 5? At age 5 children should be learning life-skills like reading, writing, and simple communicational skills - not how to effectively bring themselves pleasure by masturbating. If I am ever a parent I would never allow my children into such a classroom, it would be barbaric to allow such nonsense.

    Here is a question: Would they learn how to masturbate as a class? Or would someone show them privately?

    Either are sick, disgusting, and perverted.
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    masturbation at that young an age has nothing to do with sex. So just because the topic of masturbation would be talked about, doesnt mean that they would be talking about sex.

    The fact is that kids that age do touch themselves in that manner and therefore I dont see how it could be considered sick or disgusting to teach them the technical name for it and that it shouldnt be done in public.
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    Originally posted by *ClownPimp*
    masturbation at that young an age has nothing to do with sex. So just because the topic of masturbation would be talked about, doesnt mean that they would be talking about sex.

    The fact is that kids that age do touch themselves in that manner and therefore I dont see how it could be considered sick or disgusting to teach them the technical name for it and that it shouldnt be done in public.
    I do not believe that children have a habbit of masturbating in public. However, if what you are suggesting is true, then the schools' rules on the walls would be something like this:

    -Treat others how you would like to be treated.
    -No name-calling
    -No swearing
    -No running in the halls
    -No talking out of turn
    -No budging
    -No masturbating
    -No stealing
    -No fighting

    Hmm... does one rule seem to stand out more than the others? Probably because it is out of place and completely unnecessary.

    So how exactly would the classroom talk about masturbation? Perhaps the discussion between the teacher and students would go something like this:

    Teacher: "Now lets talk about masturbation"
    Child: "Whats that?"
    Teacher: "It's when a boy or a girl fondles their vaginas' or penis' to bring themselves pleasure"
    Child: "Whats that?"
    Teacher: "Here, let me bring you some pictures to help you understand."

    Seriously, the idea is completely irrational.
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