View Poll Results: Do you agree with SIECUS and the SB71 law passed?

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  • Yes! Sex education for all! Woohoo!

    2 11.76%
  • Yes I do. I think it is wise. It will help prevent AIDS, HIV, other STD's, etc.

    9 52.94%
  • No I do not. I think it is sick and disgusting that little children will be taught those things.

    5 29.41%
  • No! SIECUS shall die! *Grabs sword*

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    I do not believe that children have a habbit of masturbating in public.
    Im not saying they do. I just mentioned it because it was in the guidlines as one of the subjects to teach.

    So how exactly would the classroom talk about masturbation?
    Thats a good question, and I dont have the answer to that. The topic is certainly very delicate and should be handled with the utmost care. Im sure there are people who study how to talk about issues such as this to young children and im sure they will be able to come up with some sort of appropriate way of educating them.
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    Reading the text of the bill itself, I saw absolutely nothing even suggesting that five year olds would be taught what is mentioned in the excerpt quoted from Abstinence.net. In fact, the bill recommends a curriculum that encourages parental discussion and even advises abstinence alone as the best method to avoid pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. It also gives parents the right to opt their children out of such a class if they prefer.

    A sensible sexual education curriculum can help prevent unwanted pregnancies and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. If children, especially as they pass through adolescence, find out on their own and through peers, they will pick up myths and misconceptions; and so, if they do end up having sex, they will be completely unprepared.
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    >> Im sure there are people who study how to talk about issues >> such as this to young children and im sure they will be able to >> come up with some sort of appropriate way of educating them.

    Give me a break.

    Sex education? For children?!

    Let parents educate their children according to their own beliefs.

    That program is nothing less that state-sponsored perversion.

    I hope someone puts a stop to it somehow.
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    On the topic of Sex education:

    I use to have very elicit sexual fantacies. But since I took sex ed my freshman year of high school, even in my dreams, when I'm about to have sex with a woman im all "Do you have your tested clean of std's card?" (a card you get when you get tested for aids, says your clean and stuff" and then I wear a condom........
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    Originally posted by Sebastiani
    Sex education? For children?!
    Wont somebody please think of the children!?!?

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    Originally posted by BMJ
    Wont somebody please think of the children!?!?
    Why think about those little lemmings when they don't know a thing about what they are being taught?
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    Originally posted by Sebastiani
    Let parents educate their children according to their own beliefs.
    Hooray! What excellent reasoning!

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    Originally posted by -KEN-
    Hooray! What excellent reasoning!

    "Little Jimmy, why did you not wear a condom and give your girlfriend AIDS?"
    "Momma and Dad sai' that thu' condom is the devil's work!!!"

    Muslims teach their children to be Muslim. Atheists teach their's to be atheist. Being a parent is about passing on your own personal values. What those values are is their business, not that of the state. After all, the state would be doing nothing more than passing on *it's* values.

    Of course, if parents *want* the state to teach their children about sex, let them. But by all means it should be a choice, not a policy.
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    Originally posted by Sebastiani
    Muslims teach their children to be Muslim. Atheists teach their's to be atheist. Being a parent is about passing on your own personal values. What those values are is their business, not that of the state. After all, the state would be doing nothing more than passing on *it's* values.

    Of course, if parents *want* the state to teach their children about sex, let them. But by all means it should be a choice, not a policy.
    Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I misread. I just assumed this was an opt-in/opt-out type of thing.

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    i dont think it should be taught in schools at that age. i think at the high school time, lessons about safe sex, stds and abstinience is ok.

    once you show someone how to do it (like impressionable youth), and you tell them "ok you can't do it in public" or "keep it to yourself", theres always people who are going to wonder why. school rules include "no cursing", but how many of you still curse? sure masturbation isnt that "easy", but still.

    i dont think you should teach things like that. if they really want to, let them figure it out for themselves. i agree with the person said theyre better off learning things like reading, writing, math and those subject. we're far behind the world in those subjects; we're definitely not behind in sex (education)

    and aside from that, where does it stop? first you teach them how to, then what? distribute toys to them in school to use? porn mags for those who need "extra help"?

    same contraversy with the distribution of condoms in highschools.

    if they want to find out, let the resources be available. but let them make the first move. teaching about abstinience in HS is ok, thats a good thing. but things they see on tv tend to influence more than what they are told to do in school. "do as i say, not as i do". well on tv and everything (look at mtv for example), theyre practically promoting sex and promiscuity, but in school theyre being told not to..who do you think they'll listen to? itll just open up that door alot sooner than it should be opened.

    personally, i think its leading towards degration of our society. instead of spending time and money on things that better the society, we're spending it on how to teach our kids to sex themselves. it seems as though everything is turning into sex and money. instead of teaching them how to masturbate, why not teach them something with some higher moral and social value?

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    Take away control of anything from the people and i'll call you a dirty communist (A.K.A. a Democrat)

    This is inheriently wrong, not becuase of the content, but becuase the parents do not have a choice.
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    Being a parent is about passing on your own personal values. What those values are is their business, not that of the state. After all, the state would be doing nothing more than passing on *it's* values.
    No, absolutely not. Children aren't their parent's property. They should be taught to not harm themselves or others. If parents don't agree on this for whatever reason, it should be forced. Some values, like the safety of all citizens are above personal interests like religion.

    I think 5 is a bit early for sex ed though... Highschool is fine, I haven't heard of pregnant grade schoolers yet
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    Hooray! What excellent reasoning!

    "Little Jimmy, why did you not wear a condom and give your girlfriend AIDS?"
    "Momma and Dad sai' that thu' condom is the devil's work!!!"
    Muslims teach their children to be Muslim. Atheists teach their's to be atheist. Being a parent is about passing on your own personal values. What those values are is their business, not that of the state. After all, the state would be doing nothing more than passing on *it's* values
    So you're saying you want women to suffer AIDS and pregnancy and crap, because the dude's parents don't believe in condoms?

    5 is way too young to teach sex ed. I think the masturbation thing shouldn't be taught until they are in like 6th grade or something, and should not be taught as in how to do it, but be taught where to do it and not to. Most kids by that age know how to do it anyway.

    It's a good idea, just needs to be modified a little bit. The majority of the stuff should be taught at high school, and if the "ages 16 through 18 to be taught about exotic fantasies enhanced by pornographic literature." is taken out completely. School already has enough bogus crap in it that pertains nothing to the career choice and lifestyle of the students, but adding this is complete bullcrap and doesn't need to be there.

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