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same sex marriages

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    same sex marriages

    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=3847661

    here's some interesting parts:

    President Bush called marriage "a sacred institution between a man and a woman" and pledged to work "to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage."
    Regardless of the ruling, gay marriages will not be equal under federal laws for purposes of taxes and health and retirement benefits because a 1996 law defined marriage for federal purposes as between one woman and one man.
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    Not particurally for it. I do live in a large redneck town after all. I figure as long as it doesn't harm me why not.
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    It's their choice who they want to spend the rest of their life with.
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    Originally posted by XSquared
    It's their choice who they want to spend the rest of their life with.
    Agreed.
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    That's great, but it's kind of funny. In MT marriage means higher taxes.

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    I'm for the government getting out of marriage entirely, but that's different.

    I'm all for this.

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    Doesn't bother me. I don't care if they pass it or not.
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    Anybody notice that no one is posting against it yet the majority do not favor it?
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    I highly disagree with it, yet I will not get into my reasons, as they would spark yet another 300 post religious debate thread, and I think we have had plenty of those already.
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    Originally posted by DavidP
    I highly disagree with it, yet I will not get into my reasons, as they would spark yet another 300 post religious debate thread, and I think we have had plenty of those already.
    I'm with him.

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    Actually, I like, the 2nd to vote.

    I disagree on both logical and theological grounds, and I too think that the latter is going to get very messy, while the former isnt likely to be conclusive.

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    I disagree with Same-Sex marriages, and this is why:

    1: Marriage is intended, traditionally, for a Male and Female. Not male and male, or female and female.

    2: Why should gay or lesbian people care if their legal status was 'Married' or not? They can still wear a ring (if they desire), they can still live with eachother, they can still write agreements about property incase if they 'separate', and they can still celebrate a wedding together. They just wont get a certificate that says "You are married. blah blah" - big deal.

    3: IF gay's or lesbians start marrying eachother we'll probably end up with people who want to change their name from Mr. to Mrs. or vice versa. Which is completely retarded, and I don't care about what rights you think you have. If your male you're a Mr., If youre female you're a Mrs.

    4: We'll end up with Gays / Lesbians telling their children: "I'm mommy and that's daddy! BTW, it's okay to screw around with the opposite sex cause it's natural!". For one, things like that warp childrens perspective. Horribly.

    So you all might think I'm some homosexual basher who runs around curb-stomping gays - I'm not. I'll start off by explaining what happens in the Canadian School System. In a course called "Career and Life Managment" students are given a series of presentations. One of these presentations is a homosexual male who comes in and tells you how hard his life is etc.. Then he says something similar to the following: "Being a homosexual is perfectly natural. I like to be refered to as a 'female' because even though I look like a male, I am physically attracted to males so that means that my brain is like a females - so really in the inside I am a female."; I wonder how the retard got as far as the classroom.

    I can deal with gays and lesbians, I really don't care what people do behind their doors.. it's physical interaction, it makes no difference to me. However, when they wish to include children into this apparently 'natural' act they really mess things up, which I will explain. I understand that not all gays or lesbians are going to go out and want to change their names or have children that are influenced towards homosexuality... but some will, and that is what I really worry about when homosexuals become allowed to marry eachother. Most children grow up understanding that a family consists of a mother, a father, and children - not 2 fathers or 2 mothers. Also, I will give you a possible scenario, lets say that it includes 2 female or male parents(we'll disregard where the real ones are) who have 1 son or daughter, who we will call 'Child1'. So lets say that Child1 grows up playing with the same sex as most small children do until they get older and realize that 'girls dont have cooties' and that 'boys aren't so gross' any more. But then lets say that 'Child1' decides that being homosexual is a personal preference and since his/her parents do it and so many other people that he/she may as well just keep to their own sex for relations so that they can save themselves from the hassle of getting to know the opposite sex. I think that this situation's outcome would be particularily the result of parents/schools continually brute-forcing the idea that being homosexual is okay and perfectly natural. It's okay if somone grows up and decides that they would prefer the same sex over the opposite, but it is not okay if that decision is being influenced by others.

    Personally, I believe that being homosexual is a malfunction and that people should be able to get medical treatment for it. I do believe that gays/lesbians have real feelings for the opposite sex, feelings which truly are not natural. I believe that people should have the choice to remain attracted to the same sex or that they should be able to get help with the problem.

    I welcome comments and arguments. Let's try not to turn this into a flame war.
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    1: Marriage is intended, traditionally, for a Male and Female. Not male and male, or female and female.
    Traditional is supremely irrelevent. Every social injustice around the world is "intended, traditionally", perhaps we should applaud the Muslim countries who stone people to death for pre-marrital sex as sticking to tradition.

    2: Why should gay or lesbian people care if their legal status was 'Married' or not? They can still wear a ring (if they desire), they can still live with eachother, they can still write agreements about property incase if they 'separate', and they can still celebrate a wedding together. They just wont get a certificate that says "You are married. blah blah" - big deal.
    From a poor argument to an even worse one, why should they care? Uhmm what matters is that THEY DO, not whether or not you can understand why.

    3: IF gay's or lesbians start marrying eachother we'll probably end up with people who want to change their name from Mr. to Mrs. or vice versa. Which is completely retarded, and I don't care about what rights you think you have. If your male you're a Mr., If youre female you're a Mrs.
    Why do you care so much what they call themselves?

    4: We'll end up with Gays / Lesbians telling their children: "I'm mommy and that's daddy! BTW, it's okay to screw around with the opposite sex cause it's natural!". For one, things like that warp childrens perspective. Horribly.
    They warp children's perspective huh, what evidence or reasoning do you have to support your claim?

    So you all might think I'm some homosexual basher who runs around curb-stomping gays - I'm not.
    Yea, except you are.

    I'll start off by explaining what happens in the Canadian School System. In a course called "Career and Life Managment" students are given a series of presentations. One of these presentations is a homosexual male who comes in and tells you how hard his life is etc.. Then he says something similar to the following: "Being a homosexual is perfectly natural. I like to be refered to as a 'female' because even though I look like a male, I am physically attracted to males so that means that my brain is like a females - so really in the inside I am a female."; I wonder how the retard got as far as the classroom.
    So he's a retard, right.... and you disagree with his stance because......... oh wait yea your bigoted sorry yea that's it.

    I can deal with gays and lesbians, I really don't care what people do behind their doors.. it's physical interaction,
    ewww wouldn't want one to come near me!!! Bigoted MUCH?

    I understand that not all gays or lesbians are going to go out and want to change their names or have children that are influenced towards homosexuality... but some will, and that is what I really worry about when homosexuals become allowed to marry eachother. Most children grow up understanding that a family consists of a mother, a father, and children - not 2 fathers or 2 mothers.
    What reasons do you have for believing that children brought up by a homosexual couple will be anything other than slightly more tolerant?

    Also, I will give you a possible scenario, lets say that it includes 2 female or male parents(we'll disregard where the real ones are) who have 1 son or daughter, who we will call 'Child1'. So lets say that Child1 grows up playing with the same sex as most small children do until they get older and realize that 'girls dont have cooties' and that 'boys aren't so gross' any more. But then lets say that 'Child1' decides that being homosexual is a personal preference
    But it's not a personal "preference" or a lifestyle "choice", it's biology.

    and since his/her parents do it and so many other people that he/she may as well just keep to their own sex for relations so that they can save themselves from the hassle of getting to know the opposite sex.
    Oh dear God where do you come up with such piffle?

    I think that this situation's outcome would be particularily the result of parents/schools continually brute-forcing the idea that being homosexual is okay and perfectly natural.
    Why isn't it "ok"? And it certainly IS "natural", claiming otherwise is merely ignorance.

    It's okay if somone grows up and decides that they would prefer the same sex over the opposite, but it is not okay if that decision is being influenced by others.
    People are not presented with a choice, they don't think to themselves, hmmm lets see should I be gay or straight, hm... hmm well gay sounds fun, i'll be gay. That's not what happens. There is no choice.

    Personally, I believe that being homosexual is a malfunction and that people should be able to get medical treatment for it.
    I welcome comments and arguments. Let's try not to turn this into a flame war.
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    Personally i believe that being black is a malfunction and that people should be able to get medical treatment for it.

    I welcome comments and arguments. Let's try not to turn this into a flame war.
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    Spot on Clyde I don't anyone could have put it better.

    What reasons do you have for believing that children brought up by a homosexual couple will be anything other than slightly more tolerant?
    Xei, I respect that you live in a free country and are because of that entitled to your opinion even if to me it is utterly abhorrent up their with the opinions of Adolf, Osama, Idi and Pol sorry if any personal heroes have been overlooked.
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    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...l&siteid=50143

    Personally i believe that being a manc is a malfunction and that people should be able to get medical treatment for it.(the only sensible one being euthanasia)

    I welcome comments and arguments. Let's try not to turn this into a flame war.
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    edit [i agree with same sex marriages].
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