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This is a discussion on same sex marriages within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Clyde, you can throw all the scientific evidence you want at me and some of the others, but we're going ...

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    Clyde, you can throw all the scientific evidence you want at me and some of the others, but we're going to believe what we're going to believe. *shrugs*

    I'm allowed to be ignorant if that's what you want to consider me. I have that right. Apparently we've tapped into something that seems to mean a lot to you. I don't know why, I'm not going to ask. Maybe it's just your quest to make everyone see what you feel is the truth. That's fine too. Just don't get ........ed off when people don't agree with you whether what you say is correct or not.

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    Whats next they want to clone themselves and raise them as their kids?

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    Originally posted by ZerOrDie
    Whats next they want to clone themselves and raise them as their kids?
    Where the hell'd you get that out of it?

    I'd like to remind everyone with the "unnatural" thought that birth control and sex for pleasure are unnatural. ober, you should be rolling in kids right now if the only purpose of the sex organs is reproduction.

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    Originally posted by ober5861
    Clyde, you can throw all the scientific evidence you want at me and some of the others, but we're going to believe what we're going to believe. *shrugs*

    I'm allowed to be ignorant if that's what you want to consider me. I have that right. Apparently we've tapped into something that seems to mean a lot to you. I don't know why, I'm not going to ask. Maybe it's just your quest to make everyone see what you feel is the truth. That's fine too. Just don't get ........ed off when people don't agree with you whether what you say is correct or not.
    since you have the right to be ignorant, shouldn't gays have the right to marry? just because you don't think it's right, why should it be wrong?

    clyde was referring to how we've proven it natural, yet people are still trying to say it's 'unnatural', even though we gave the proof you asked for... and in detail...
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    And before one of you jumps me and says that it is, I want proof
    Personally, I need more proof.
    Clyde, you can throw all the scientific evidence you want at me and some of the others, but we're going to believe what we're going to believe.
    How many times have we heard this argument from people against homosexuality/evolution/whatever?

    We want proof!
    <give them proof>
    We want more proof!
    <give them more proof>
    I don't care what you say anymore, we are just going to agree to disagree.

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    I never said that was their only purpose, Cheez. I said that is the major reason that we have them.

    >>since you have the right to be ignorant, shouldn't gays have the right to marry?

    I never said I didn't think they should have the right to get married. I said I disagreed with the concept of homosexuality.

    >>clyde was referring to how we've proven it natural, yet people are still trying to say it's 'unnatural', even though we gave the proof you asked for... and in detail...

    That was not enough to make me change my feelings on the subject. I'm not going to read a couple posts by some random guy on the internet and change my thinking on such a subject. That's absurd. And I haven't done enough research on my own to draw my own conclusions based outside of my religious beliefs, and that's not what this thread is about, and don't make it into one.

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    >>How many times have we heard this argument from people against homosexuality/evolution/whatever?

    I guess I wasn't specifically asking for proof from you or any member here. I need to do/see more research on my own to prove to myself one way or another. As of right now, I don't feel like I've reached the point where my decision lies on the pro-gay side.

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    >>That was not enough to make me change my feelings on the subject. I'm not going to read a couple posts by some random guy on the internet and change my thinking on such a subject. That's absurd. And I haven't done enough research on my own to draw my own conclusions based outside of my religious beliefs, and that's not what this thread is about, and don't make it into one.

    that wasn't a random guy... he's done extensive research on it... a random guy posted his research, but it's still there... If you still want to dedicate your life to scanning DNA strands, your welcome... come back with the results...

    or you can realize that this is how scientific advances are made... unless you want to keep reinventing the wheel...
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    didn't read the whole thread (to much and I'm lazy)
    But in Belgium, gay people are allowed to marry.
    If it makes them happy, why not. Everyone has the right to be happy

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    Originally posted by ober5861
    I never said that was their only purpose, Cheez. I said that is the major reason that we have them.
    Alright then. What about straight couples unable to bear children? Should they not be allowed to get married?

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    Clyde, you can throw all the scientific evidence you want at me and some of the others, but we're going to believe what we're going to believe. *shrugs*
    You believe homosexuality is "unnatural" in stark contrast to the available evidence, furthermore presumeably you attach some kind of validity to "natural" in stark contrast to ... well common sense.

    Why should your views not be considered on a par with any other set of views that have no rational basis but that ultimately discriminate against a subset of humanity?

    How is it any different to say racism?

    Don't you see that if you follow the "well, yes there is no reason to believe that, but i do anyway", then you have NO WAY to check whether what you think actually stands a chance of being true!

    If I were brought up to be a racist, if my family and my friends were all racist, i would presumeably believe non-whites were somehow physically and mentally inferior. However if i did NOT do what you are doing i could be presented with the evidence and realise my error, IF however i followed the "yea well i believe what i believe" then i would remain racist the rest of my life.

    Your views have no basis and harm people, you should alter them.

    I'm allowed to be ignorant if that's what you want to consider me. I have that right
    Why do you want to be ignorant, when you have the option of being knowledgable? Running away from the truth will not make it go away.

    Just don't get ........ed off when people don't agree with you whether what you say is correct or not.
    When people have nothing to support their views, and when their views cause real problems to real people, then sure i get annoyed, and damnit I'm GLAD i get annoyed i wish more people would get annoyed. Maybe if they did something would actually get done.
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    I said I wasn't going to go there, but I will:

    I believe what I believe because the Bible says so.

    " He said "bible" and he said he "believes" in it".

    Yes, yes I did. It is stated in the Bible that homosexuality is wrong. An entire city was destroyed because of this very thing. If I'm ignorant because of my blind beliefs, then so be it. I don't really give 2 $$$$s about what you think or what evidence there is to support the contrary to my beliefs. There, happy?

    And I know you, Clyde, do not seem to understand this belief system or why so many people do it because everything you believe in has a scientific basis and an explanation, but that's just the way things are with me.

    If you can't accept that, then you are a bigot to the christian lifestyle and beliefs.

    And you're right, I have NO FREAKIN WAY of proving whether what is written in the Bible is true or not. Maybe it's all a bunch of stories and the authors of the bibles hated $$$s^H^H homosexuals too. I have no idea. But hey, it's what I believe and it's what I will standby. Sue me.

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    Whats next they want to clone themselves and raise them as their kids?
    No, but what they probably will do is use a donor egg, remove the mothers genetic material insert the genetic material from the sperm of one partner into the egg then fertilise it with the sperm of the other partner. Implant the fertilised egg into a surrogate mother and voila homosexual reproduction. (i think the alternative option where genetic material from an egg is extracted and placed into a sperm is also feasable).

    The last i read on the topic seemed to indicate that the technology was virtually there. So it's possible we will be seeing this sooner rather than later.

    hat was not enough to make me change my feelings on the subject. I'm not going to read a couple posts by some random guy on the internet and change my thinking on such a subject. That's absurd.
    What is absurd is to ignore the findings of science, and believe something entirely nonsensical based on didly squat.

    I don't feel like I've reached the point where my decision lies on the pro-gay side.
    ..... if you have no arguments to support you anti-gay view then why does your "decision" lie on that side.
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    Now, the thing is,It could be that being gay is a genetic defect, as an organism's sole goal in the long run is to produce enough offspring that it passes its genes along to the next generation of that organism's species.


    ok, now that my own personal convictions about the homosexual life itself, I would have to say that I believe that homosexuals should be allowed to get married just like any other couple should. Its not their problem they are gay, so let them be happy and enjoy their life.

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    Yes, yes I did. It is stated in the Bible that homosexuality is wrong. An entire city was destroyed because of this very thing. If I'm ignorant because of my blind beliefs, then so be it. I don't really give 2 $$$$s about what you think or what evidence there is to support the contrary to my beliefs. There, happy?
    Happy? Yea i'm over the moon.

    But surely you ignore some bits of the bible, so, why not ignore this bit?

    If you can't accept that, then you are a bigot to the christian lifestyle and beliefs
    LMAO. Right. Because obviously i don't think Christians should have equal rights oh wait, yes i do.

    And you're right, I have NO FREAKIN WAY of proving whether what is written in the Bible is true or not. Maybe it's all a bunch of stories and the authors of the bibles hated $$$s^H^H homosexuals too. I have no idea. But hey, it's what I believe and it's what I will standby. Sue me.
    Tell me something, why do you bother trying to reason out anything? Why not just arbitrarely pick what to believe, just..... because.

    What's the fastest processor? - The Pentium 2 450 mghz. Why? Because it's what i believe and it's what i will standby.

    Presumeably you don't do that, when asked by someone "what's the fastest processor?" you will use some sort of reasoning process; compare benchmarks, etc.

    My question is why, if believing something "because it's what i believe" is a good way of working out what's true, why bother with having to sit down and think things through at all?
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