Our initial reactions to 9-11 two years ago.

This is a discussion on Our initial reactions to 9-11 two years ago. within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally posted by Govtcheez Yup. edit: Here, I'll stop it. Brian, you're right. We never should have dropped the atomic ...

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    Originally posted by Govtcheez
    Yup.

    edit: Here, I'll stop it. Brian, you're right. We never should have dropped the atomic bombs. In fact, I don't know why we even got into WWII in the first place. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, we should have just said "Whoops, our bad" and moved Hawaii further away. We shouldn't even have an army, for we are AMERIKKKA and will misuse it to kill kittens, rape babies, and defile everything else that the rest of the world considers holy. I'm really sorry.
    No, you were right. It's much better to test your shiny new weapons on those silly orange short people. Guess what? Pearl harbour was a military installation. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were Cities. Big difference. Japan had declared war before attacking, it's just somehow America misplaced that telegram.
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    Unless they initiate, imo. For example, we didnt have it coming imo, but i do feel that THEY had it coming when we went over there and raised hell.
    ROD (and every1 else) LOTS, NAY millions of people thought you had it coming (as you put it)

    Leave Brian alone, he is correct in the context of this thread

    Govt-shush for once-it is obvious that every1 feels the same loss on this date that New Yorkers felt on 9/11.

    I must NAY have to pass on my condolences to the people involved, and hope they can rebuild a BIT of their former lives.


    edit: Here, I'll stop it. Brian, you're right. We never should have dropped the atomic bombs. In fact, I don't know why we even got into WWII in the first place. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, we should have just said "Whoops, our bad" and moved Hawaii further away. We shouldn't even have an army, for we are AMERIKKKA and will misuse it to kill kittens, rape babies, and defile everything else that the rest of the world considers holy. I'm really sorry.

    If you know correctly (and understand pearl harbour) there were US citizens that gave you ADEQUATE warning-OH did you take the warnings to heed? NO obviously not. This argument is null and void as you knew about it..

    Now, give peace and respect to the people who died 9/11, I can tell you that I watched it ALL on BBC news 24 and have never seen the like before. I had to get my missus to come home and watch, because it was surreal.

    Post more later
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    > Govt-shush for once-it is obvious that every1 feels the same loss on this date that New Yorkers felt on 9/11.

    Obviously not, or else every single thread about this wouldn't have had the hell trolled out of it.

    Originally posted by Brian
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki were industrial centers housing most of Japan's plane making capabilities.
    Fixed it for you. Also, Japan had time to surrender after the first bomb, but they didn't. Sucks for them. But hay we had declared war, too, so that makes it okay!

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    Originally posted by Brian
    Oh so the tens of thousands of innocent civilians back then were less human because it was 60 years ago? In 60 years will September 11th, 2001 be okay in your books?
    ok, I didn't intend for my comment to send the thread there at all. I basically said that it is something we wouldn't do today. I'm not defending the actions of 60 years ago any more than I would defend the actions of napoleon. Don't be so eager to start a debate.
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    Obviously not, or else every single thread about this wouldn't have had the hell trolled out of it.
    Well, thats the cross we have to bear (i miss dean).



    And after the first bomb the whole-WTF happened ($$$$e hits the fan) you know NO government can decide that quick O)

    Besides, the second bomb wouldve gone no matter what, and had a BIG impact on the outcome of the ww2.

    ITS NOT about any of that (i have to swear) it is about the loss suffered on 9/11. PLEASE Every1 give respect, it is not that long ago, and EVERYBODY can remember what they did that aft.
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    Originally posted by Govtcheez

    Fixed it for you. Also, Japan had time to surrender after the first bomb, but they didn't. Sucks for them. But hay we had declared war, too, so that makes it okay!
    I'm sure the civilians, and not japans leaders were more likely to surrender. They had no choice.

    read some of the accounts
    http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Japan/Testimon

    it's not pretty. It's something I'd definately be ashamed of if I were American.

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    > It's something I'd definately be ashamed of if I were American.

    Are you ashamed of some of the things Britain's done in the past? In my opinion, the bombs ended the war quicker and with a smaller loss of life than a mainland invasion of Japan would have been. Read anything about Okinawa? When we invaded there, people jumped off cliffs with babies in their arms rather than be captured, and that was nowhere near Tokyo. I am not ashamed of it in any way, shape, or form. Besides, if you're looking for atrocities in WWII, there are far better ones you can find. Check out stuff like the rape of Nanking, firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden, and oh yeah - the HOLOCAUST. Would you be ashamed to be a German because of something your grandparents may have been involved in 60 years ago?

    edit: Japan's leaders were in Tokyo. Would you rather we had dropped the bomb there?

    > the second bomb wouldve gone no matter what,

    Why would we have dropped the second bomb if they had surrendered?

    > what they did that aft.

    Not a damn thing. We were kinda in shock.

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    So if Osama had declared war first, what happened on september 11th would be A-OK in your books, govt?

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    Originally posted by FillYourBrain
    ok, I didn't intend for my comment to send the thread there at all. I basically said that it is something we wouldn't do today. I'm not defending the actions of 60 years ago any more than I would defend the actions of napoleon. Don't be so eager to start a debate.
    MMM our boys were the bravest. Imagine going to office and them telling you you are going to the russian front (or africa) whereever! Very few did not give their lives for a world war! My folks did! Do you think you would join up tomo if you thought you would die? Are you brave? I, I doubt it!

    Stuff WW11, the thread is about 9/11, and lets leave it that way. IT has sod all to do with ww11. THANK YOU!
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    Originally posted by Govtcheez
    would you be ashamed to be a German because of something your grandparents may have been involved in 60 years ago?
    yep.

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    Are you ashamed of some of the things Britain's done in the past?
    JESUS! come on Govt, we have generations more history than you, and whatever any1 says, it shows.

    We had empire etc, and it is bred into us at every stage!

    We fought ww11 for many reasons, but one of them is NOT to argue with YOU!

    YOU are supposed to be our allie!


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    I had just come home from working the third shift and turned on my TV only to find the initial reports. I watched the second plane crash and the continuous tragedies unfold live on the news. Truly a day to never be forgotten.

    One thing that stands out in my mind pertaining to these boards, was that during the days to follow regardless of what country cprog members were from, nearly everyone flew an American flag avatar. Mine of course still stands to this day.

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    Originally posted by Brian
    yep.
    AND if you ask anybody in GERMANY the same question (if they are 25+) they will FREELY ADMIT they were wrong. Many germans want to disacotiate themselves from the atrocities.

    Give pppl a break!
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    Originally posted by Brian
    So if Osama had declared war first, what happened on september 11th would be A-OK in your books, govt?
    If you ignore the fact that Osama bin Laden's not a government, then according to your wacky-ass defintion from earlier, I guess so. I guess declaring war before totally clears you from any wrongdoing like indiscriminately killing civilians.

    > JESUS! come on Govt, we have generations more history than you, and whatever any1 says, it shows.

    According to Brian, you should still be ashamed of it. Time has no bearing at all.

    Look, all I'm saying is that I refuse to say "omg I'm so sorry Japan". It brought a quick end to the war and saved lives on both sides. The only reason I'm not stopping is because Brian seems to insist I feel sorry for something that I (1) had nothing to do with and (2) believe was the far lesser of two evils.

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    Go $$$$ yourself.

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