Bowling for Columbine

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    Bowling for Columbine

    Has anyone watched this? I just got done watching it, it gets pretty intense at times... I thought I was going to cry.

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    The fat man can suck it for all I care. But no, I haven't seen it.

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    Wow where did that come from, seriously?

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    I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'm a hard-core conservative and at times, a member of the NRA. No, I haven't watched Bowling for Columbine, and I think that if the man who made it hung himself, it would do more for humanity than his movie did.
    Away.

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    but how can you say that without having watched the movie...exactly WHAT are you judging him on? How he looks? And what in the hell have you done for humanity that puts you in a position to belittle what he's trying to do?

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    I'm basing it off of interviews with him, things he's said in public and etc.

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    I don't know what to believe, I'd like to gather all facts before I make a decision. I just don't like it when people seem to pre judge and close off other points of views before an argument can be made...I've been chatting with confuted about this and I'm trying to at least determine the validity of what Moore was saying, if what he says holds up to truth I'm with him, otherwise with you. That's a simple argument.

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    im with silver on this one. I havent seen the movie yet but i plan to. Some of the stats about gun violence in the US are just plain disturbing.

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    Just remember thats stats can be manipulated to reflect whatever the person wants. I have read that he did use misleading stats a lot. Things like comparing different years without saying so, only giving part of the stats, that sort of thing.

    But let me be clear on one part. Make up your own mind

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    Why would you want to be in a weapon organisation? If the National C4 Association came along, I expect you would join that, too. How about the National Nuke Association?

    But I'm only killing animals with my gun? Only shooting bits of clay. Well I'm only firing my nukes at a desert, only blowing them up at the bottom of the sea.

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    I've seen it.

    I've read the criticism and then watched it again.

    I think Moore is a loud mouthed idiot but he has a point and not only the one on the top of his head.....

    His point is simply

    USA and Canada have similar gunlaws and culture.
    You would expect them to have similar rates of gun death per 100,000.

    Yet the US gun muder rate is over seven times more!

    This was Moore's point. It realy does not matter that a stat he used is out by a hundred when the difference i so great. You do the math..

    The bit about him using Heston's NRA speeches out of sequence or contex is also not true.

    Watch it.

    Decide for yourself............

    Code:
    //the math
    US Govt Stats 
    
    Here US murders by firearms is around 10,000 in 2000. A population of 281,422,000
    or 3.56 gun murders per 100,000.
    
    
    Canada govt stats 
    
    Canada has 184 firearm murders in 2000. A population of 30,790,000
    or 0.5 gun murders per 100, 000 people.
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    It is a very well made film (but has elements of spin ), i think Moore makes some good points in both his films and his books but he does come off quite partisan.

    I'm a hard-core conservative
    You are a fool.

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    Bowling for Columbine had to be the worst most liberal film I have watched. He didn't get actual facts in there. And Novacain we have a much larger population with more freedoms than Canada. Canada doesn't have many of the over populated city areas where the death and gun rate is very high. With the higher population how can you not expect different results? In a congested country with all the freedoms and libertys we have there would probably be more violence once you think about it. And Moores point was a little swayed like in all his films. I mean this is the guy who at some video awards mentioned the Dixy Chicks and the Pope in the same sentence for anti-Bush speech. Oh and if we did get rid of areas like the Projects and all and turned them into decent places then I bet our gun violence would drop because those areas are the places that bring our stats up that high
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    In a congested country with all the freedoms and libertys we have there would probably be more violence once you think about it.
    Well, one persons freedom ends where it touches another persons freedom. And killing is pretty much the end of a persons personal freedom. So I guess there is a fine line between enough freedom and too much freedom. It's up to you decide where you draw that line in your country. I like it where it is in Germany with relativly few deaths to firearms.
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    Oh, great. Here we go.
    Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
    I mean this is the guy who at some video awards mentioned the Dixy Chicks and the Pope in the same sentence for anti-Bush speech.
    Um... so?

    Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
    Oh and if we did get rid of areas like the Projects and all and turned them into decent places then I bet our gun violence would drop because those areas are the places that bring our stats up that high
    Hey, if you can figure out how to do that, you'll be elected president.

    I've never seen it, I'm sure it contains plenty of spin, but what political movie doesn't?

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