Bowling for Columbine

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    see you edited your responce of all mistakes so you wouldn't look like a moron while trying to insult me
    That's how i post, i type things off in an irate state of mind, then i read it through while i'm still annoyed and miss loads of stuff, then i read again and remove spelling mistakes and other obvious errors.

    Ever look at the words following my statement?
    Right, but its totally irrelevent, my point was merely that eliminating being killed by pointless accidents would not remove death.

    Really? you don't act like you are thinking things through. Your most complex sentence is an insult. Didn't think about that did you?
    Because obviously there is a linear relationship between the complexity of sentences and the amount of time spent considering ideas..... oh wait no no that's wrong again.

    When did I ever say we should celebrate death
    You suggested it was acceptable that innocent people were dieing on grounds of population control.

    And death is the natual way to control overpopulation as I have stated.
    And obviously "natural" MUST equal good. Oh wait no, it doesn't.

    We can overide nature, natures solution to overpopulation is an increased death rate our solution is birth control.

    Arguing that we should accept premature death on grounds of population control is APAULING.

    Another example of ignorance. I have already said that I don't celebrate murder. I just look at it in how it actually is.
    Yea, but you seem to think it's ok, that we should accept it and not bother trying to stop it.

    Your little ending in the end is just amazing. You go from 10 people in an entire country over the span of 24 hours to 5,000 people in less than an hour in one building. I must say for a super genious that is an amazing example there.
    Oh I see of course, of course, 10 people dying a day that doesn't matter, thats REAL population control, whereas 5000 people dying in one hour ONCE thats just wrong man...

    Why does the time frame or geographical location matter one iota?

    Why do you care more about the 5000 killed in a one off attack than the same number of children killed in a year and half? Yea cause that makes perfect sense. Maybe the children deserved it more, maybe there lives aren't as important..... right.

    I would have to say that you haven't actually gone through what I have said and really thought about it.
    Really thought about it?? You make it sound complicated!? This is not exactly rocket science you know.

    Instead you have gotten uptight and emotional over what I have said and made conclusions that are wrong. And drop the stupid insults. They are pointless
    Emotional, i wish more people got emotional, but you see they're just numbers on bits paper or a screen. Why get emotional over numbers. 10 people die a day, oh well a one and a zero, imaginary statistical people, la la la, except there are REAL people behind those numbers with real lives and real families.

    Oh but its population control, we need murder and manslaughter, because otherwise ummm we'll have too many people and then umm we'll all get wiped by SARS!!!!
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    Just so we're clear here, what exactly do you think?

    When i said:
    Since when is it ever acceptable for innocent people to be killed?
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    **Clyde since as you know the earth isnt flat, you should also know people die everyday and if only non innocent people should die the world would soon overpopulate and death would come in masses from epidemics like SARS and such
    So Zak, is the premature death of entirely innocent people acceptable or not?

    Should we try and stop it, or not?

    Are you going to do a 180, or not?

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    I think you are going to have to shoot him to get him to change his mind.

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    I said I don't think mass murder is acceptable. I think death is a real thing and it happens every day and it should just be something we accept.

    >>You suggested it was acceptable that innocent people were dieing on grounds of population control.


    I suggested it is the natural way of living and that death keeps the human culture from overpopulating. Don't put words in my mouth for me. Do you cry everytime you eat a chicken or any meat? I mean that animal was killed by someone. Death happens. Murder happens. $$$$ happens. Get used to it. Am I saying don't remorse if someone dies? No. I saying death happens for a reason whether you are a believer in god or an atheist.

    >>Why does the time frame or geographical location matter one iota?

    I'm going to answer to 2 things in this one. I don't just look at statistics as a number. I do realize those numbers came at the cost of someones life. Second since you like to think think about this. Sooner or later EVERYONE dies. Lets go back 200 years since there isn't anyone alive from then. So in 1800 there were allot of people. They eventually all died from whatever. What if those people were ALL massacred (sp?) at once. I think times do matter once you think about it.
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    Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
    With those two things said I have come to the conclusion we lose one twenty eight millionth of our population everyday. Now how many kids are born a day? I would have to say just about that. It is another thing that keeps the United States from being overpopulated. We could have a population like China and have things allot worse off. Stop complaning about how bad we have it until you think about things in the large perspective please.
    How about we practise some population control on your family or relatives? Your taking up valuable space!

    Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
    Starving nations are starving because they are poor and there are too many of them.
    What about drought? Evil dictators who refuse to feed their nation? Drought & Evil dictators! Blame the overpopulation!

    Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
    I said I don't think mass murder is acceptable.
    And a couple murders a day are A ok?

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    Do you people not get anything I say? I made one statement about overpopulation and you think that I mean all death is about that.
    "When I die I want to pass peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather did, not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car."

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    Actually Zakk, there is ONLY one way to take what you said, and that is you think we should consider the death of innocents to be ok and that we shouldn't care. Should we not be upset with Bin Laden? After all he was just helping the worlds overpopulation problem. What about the DC sniper? He should go free right? Those people would have died anyways, so whats the big deal? Why not just hand guns out to all the kiddies and just hope that they fix our overpopulation problem for us?

    Are you trying to tell me that if I went and killed everyone that you love and hold dear, and slapped you on the back and said "Hey, why do you care, they were going to die anyways! Death happens for a reason, so whats the big deal?" you would be ok with that? At what point does it matter? Obviously you don't care about 10 people, what about 100? or 1000? or a million?

    Theres a BIG BIG difference between accepting that death is a part of life and just sitting with your head up your *%^# and allowing it to happen when you can do something about it.
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    A gun is a tool as is a knife.

    A gun has only one use. To kill or seriously harm others.

    Knives, clubs ect have alternate uses. ie not only a weapon.

    The US constution is silly. A state militia definding the state against the US army, LOL!

    Heard of Waco? this is what the consitution allows for. Do you want lots of these kind of 'encounters'?



    >>I mean this is the guy who at some video awards mentioned the Dixy Chicks and the Pope in the same sentence for anti-Bush speech.

    He stated that if people from the opposite ends of the political spectrum as the Dixie Chicks and the Pope BOTH had the same issues with GWB then there was a definate problem.


    >>Second Thantos I agree with you mostly except one the point that if guns were illegal, the homicide rate would not go down.

    The gun murder rate went down in Australia after we banned automatic and high powered guns.


    >>In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States."

    THIS WAS MOORE'S POINT!

    WHY?



    Dalren, your stories of gun protections are rubbish.

    >>When he got down there he found a crocodile had broken a hole in a door and gotten into his house, he shot it in the head, problem solved.

    I thought that they were Alligators in the US not crocs.
    I have caught a 1.5m freshwater croc with (gloved) hands up north of Australia (when I had lots of liquid confidence). They are harmless.

    >>there was little question as to what he was planning to do inside the house.

    If as you say he was going to kill your friend, WHY DID HE NOT HAVE A GUN?
    Would your friend have been OK if the intruder had a gun rather than a knife?

    These are urban myths with no basis.
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    I said I don't think mass murder is acceptable. I think death is a real thing and it happens every day and it should just be something we accept.
    There is a difference between accepting people die of old age, and accepting premature death.

    Why didn't you "accept" Sept 9/11?

    Lets go back 200 years since there isn't anyone alive from then. So in 1800 there were allot of people. They eventually all died from whatever. What if those people were ALL massacred (sp?) at once. I think times do matter once you think about it.
    That only matters because you're shortening those people's lives, there is a difference between people being cut down in the prime of life, and dying after having lead a full life.

    There is no difference whatsoever between 10 people dying on January the 5th, and 1 person dying per day from the 1st->10th.

    Both equal 10 people dying.
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    Conversations like this are the reason nothing ever gets done in congress...


    one thing i noted that I'd like to comment on

    Clyde said that the world is overpopulated because people don't use enough birth control, and that's BS.
    The world is overpopulated because of advancements in health care, food production, and a better infrastructure. People, as a result, are living longer, and offspring survival rate is much higher.
    People used to have families of 10 and the population barely grew. Nowadays people have 2.5 children and the population skyrockets...and it's not just because the number is already huge, it's because the rate of survival is still much higher. The large population we have now had to occur somehow. If no one used condoms a lot more people would be dead at 40 of aids than you can imagine, so I don't think you got that one right. Sorry to pick you out, but you seem to be the least openminded in this whole convo. I think this whole thread's gone south, and I felt I should point out that everyone's arguments have had quite a few weaknesses, but I tend to go with people opposing your opinions, Clyde, especially so after you attack everyone for accepting the fact that 10 people die everyday in america due to gun violence. Do you know how man god damn people die in parts of south america and parts of africa every day because of gun violence? It's a hell of a lot more than 10.
    So stop making everyone feel bad about their beliefs and go take their guns and pass out free condoms.
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    Clyde said that the world is overpopulated because people don't use enough birth control, and that's BS.
    The world is overpopulated because of advancements in health care, food production, and a better infrastructure. People, as a result, are living longer, and offspring survival rate is much higher
    All those things are most predominant in the first world, and its not the first world that's the biggest source of overpopulation is it?

    I'll grant you that they are factors but the simple question is what is the best (and most humane) way to tackle over population? The answer is birth control.

    People used to have families of 10 and the population barely grew. Nowadays people have 2.5 children and the population skyrockets...
    The population sky rockets most in third world countries where they still have a lot of children. The fertility rate in Africa for 2002 was 5.2 children per woman, because they don't use contraception enough.

    from -

    http://www.prcdc.org/summaries/unmet...eedafrica.html

    Incidently the predicted population change for Europe in 2050 is -11%. That's because of birthrate, birthrate is the key.

    Do you know how man god damn people die in parts of south america and parts of africa every day because of gun violence? It's a hell of a lot more than 10.
    So? So what? What an absurd argument, hey it doesn't matter that 50 people died because over there 500 people died!! I suppose if you don't care about the 500 you wouldn't care about the 50 either, hey you're a great human being, well done.

    This argument could be applied to Sept. 11th, it could be applied to almost anything, its simply a way of justifying apathy towards suffering.

    Maybe *drum roll* we should try and do something about both. If it is a case of prioratising resources then yea, ok work on the 500 first, but clearly that isn't the case here is it, we aren't talking about resources being split between stopping kids being killed by guns in the US vs. other places.

    People are saying it's "acceptable", its "ok" that 10 kids a die a day, we shouldn't worry about, it's no big deal.....

    We should NOT "accept" suffering and premature death, we should fight to build a world where both are minimised as much as possible.

    God-damnit you people really suck.

    So stop making everyone feel bad about their beliefs and go take their guns and pass out free condoms
    You're damn right i want make them feel bad about their beliefs if they think that children dying is "acceptable", screw that.
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    Zakk. People should not die. Everyone has a right to be alive. But we have responsibilities to not make so many $$$$ing people. It is unfair on them.

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    So if NOONE dies how the hell would we survive? Inform me what we do with all of the people who will crowd our streets, we will eventually overpopulate the earth and loose all resourses with that many people. Its non argueable that for life to sustain as a whole and maintain itself the death and birth rate should stay the same.
    "When I die I want to pass peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather did, not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car."

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    So if NOONE dies how the hell would we survive? Inform me what we do with all of the people who will crowd our streets, we will eventually overpopulate the earth and loose all resourses with that many people. Its non argueable that for life to sustain as a whole and maintain itself the death and birth rate should stay the same.
    People die of "old age" gimboid.

    But if we could erradicate aging (and presumeably we will sooner or later) the answer will be either to drastically limit birthrate, or to start populating other planets.

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    Originally posted by ZakkWylde969
    So if NOONE dies how the hell would we survive? Inform me what we do with all of the people who will crowd our streets, we will eventually overpopulate the earth and loose all resourses with that many people. Its non argueable that for life to sustain as a whole and maintain itself the death and birth rate should stay the same.
    Shut up.

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