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    Freespace >> Top 10 Freespace questions >> Can I use Microsoft Front Page...?




    Can I use Microsoft Front Page extensions?
    What about "wysiwyg" style web page publishing products?


    Virgin.net does not support Frontpage Extensions. There are some issues concerning site security, and a decision was taken that presently, the problems caused both for Users and Virgin.net technical people would far outweight any gains.

    As to the second question, there are now many "What You See Is What You Get" Web design products available - many even come inside your normal everyday browsers. You are more than welcome to build your sites using these products, however, Virgin.net does not support them, and so you must make sure that you know where the Help Files for each product are. We may not be able to help if you get in to trouble with your design, or uploading, for example.

    At Virgin.net we believe that is it important for Users to understand what a basic web page actually is, so that you will feel confident about changing and updating, and not get stuck when things go wrong. Actually, it's rather easy to make a web page, and we have produced a range of Tutorials that will help show you how. If you know what sort of page you would like, then design it on paper, or in a word processing document first, then work through the easy to follow Tutorials, and build it as you go.




    Freespace >> Top 10 Freespace questions >> Can I use Microsoft Front Page...?


    So, I thought I would use my freespace. I DO own Frontpage, but what exactly can I not use? Extensions etc? I have in the past used frontpage and viewed the code and copied/pasted it-never published before though.

    Any other programs I could use? Free would be nice-or downloadable heh.

    I could use HTML but I cant be bothered right now. Or is it ok to use Frontpage if I dont use extensions-seeing as I dont know what it means
    Such is life.

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    Frontpage makes HTML (badly)
    Notepad makes HTML.

    It's all the same until you get to CGI. Mozilla also comes with a WYSIWIG editor.

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    just don't use extensions like
    index.fph or something like that. I don't know the extensions

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    Originally posted by Brian
    Frontpage makes HTML (badly)
    Notepad makes HTML.

    It's all the same until you get to CGI. Mozilla also comes with a WYSIWIG editor.
    I got taught notepad makes HTML at Uni, quite well.

    I am a 'bit' lazy now.

    So as second poster says, if I just use basic functions on Frontpage, I should be ok?
    Such is life.

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    Notepad certainly does make HTML nicely. However, making tables can get a bit tedious :-/

    Mozilla's Composer isn't bad, but it can produce some messy messy code at times. I was editing a page using it and looked at the source.
    <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small> <small></small>
    Not kidding. It's also lacking some functionality (there are a lot of things you can't do with it). It's still pretty good for a free basic editor though.
    Away.

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    Originally posted by gcn_zelda
    just don't use extensions like
    index.fph or something like that. I don't know the extensions
    Frontpage Extensions are files on the web server which allow you to publish directly from FrontPage to the server.
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    >>Frontpage Extensions are files on the web server which allow you to publish directly from FrontPage to the server.

    I see

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    Originally posted by Brian
    Frontpage makes HTML (badly)
    I disagree.

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    Originally posted by BMJ
    I disagree.
    You're right. What Frontpage spits out doesn't even qualify as HTML.
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    VS.NET has a great HTML wysiwyg editor. It never writes stupid code out. And you can edit the source easily with its undisputed great editor.

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    Could someone please show me some of this terrible, godforsaken HTML that FrontPage spits out? Because whenever I use it... well, I use it right...

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    Originally posted by BMJ
    Could someone please show me some of this terrible, godforsaken HTML that FrontPage spits out? Because whenever I use it... well, I use it right...
    Echo that, i love FP 2002, awsome program.

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    I just don't like the "It's Microsoft so it's bad" attitude.

    Show me some HTML that was generated by Frontpage that "doesn't even qualify as HTML"; Without abusing Frontpage... because if you do something that makes FP spit out crap code, then who's fault is it?

    FP is an excellent WYSIWYG HTML editor. Writing it by hand is good, great even... but it takes a long time, FP makes it really quick, and the output code certainly doesn't "suck because it's MS" (I know you didn't say that, but it seems implied)

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    >>and the output code certainly doesn't "suck because it's MS" (I know you didn't say that, but it seems implied)
    I didn't mean it like that. I personally despise almost all WYSIWIG editors (except MS Visual Interdev, which has ASP highlighting). The main reason is that most of the time when I'm working on someone's website, they want it to be compliant with the W3C standards, and I find that most WYSIWIG editors aren't good with standard-compliance.
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    ah, well that's different... and I understand completely. Thanks for clarifying; sorry to get semi-emotional about it

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