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    Originally posted by ZerOrDie
    just to top Intel's numbers
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    You're head of AMD's marketing department now?

    The story I've always heard is that that's the speed it's supposed to run comparable to. A 3600+ should benchmark the same as a P4 3.6 Ghz, and the like. It's BS, anyways. Both companies run selective benchmarks to make their systems look better. Intel ramps up their clock speeds without making huge architecture changes (hyperthreading is a cool idea, but what programs do you know that use it?), and AMD uses its own numbering system to compare to Intels.

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    yes and sadly people dont even listen to me because if they did you would see im a diehard THG fan... long live THG!!!!
    fixed. There have been plenty of amd bashing quotes from THG, they totally outweigh the intel bashing. Why? Because intel supports the site der.

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    hyperthreading is a cool idea, but what programs do you know that use it?
    Some OS see it asa real second proc.

    It help me some in a Gentoo compile(complete distro from a source).

    I have to look more into this but it seems like its supposed to help already threaded stuff.

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    Well, that's cool. There's not a lot of software out that actually utilizes it, though, is there?

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    Hyper threading is used by the OS to make two threads run at the same time on one CPU. Its the OS that uses it, not the individual programs. I'm pretty sure Windows 2000/XP take advantage of it.

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    Well yes, the OS uses it. It's quite dependant on the OS since it's essentially a dual CPU setup, and you need an OS that can handle dual CPU. So win 2000 works (though it's not 100% supported), XP Pro works, and most versions of *nix work.

    But from there it comes down to a program-by-program basis. Not all programs will use hyperthreading, just as not all programs will utilize a dual-cpu setup. It's really a hit and miss thing, but many "professional" applications (photoshop, modeling/rendering programs, etc...) will use hyperthreading to their advantage because they were programmed in a manor that allows this.

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    The programs dont have to know of Hyperthreading. Its faking a second processor, its not softare dependant.

    Programmers just need to start using threads whenever they can, it makes scaling easier. Atleast now anyways.

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    Ok kids, lets have a little lesson, shall we?

    The programs dont have to know of Hyperthreading. Its faking a second processor, its not softare dependant.
    This is wrong.

    This, is right:

    Not all programs will use hyperthreading, just as not all programs will utilize a dual-cpu setup. It's really a hit and miss thing, but many "professional" applications (photoshop, modeling/rendering programs, etc...) will use hyperthreading to their advantage because they were programmed in a manor that allows this.

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    Originally posted by RoD
    fixed. There have been plenty of amd bashing quotes from THG, they totally outweigh the intel bashing. Why? Because intel supports the site der.
    show me some bias instead of just spewing nonsense... when AMD was ahead they did not hide this fact... further intel supports the site since when?

    been at the super glue again?

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    Intel has supported THG for a long time. Thats why the advertising is so slanted, and thats why intel gets mentioned in so many reviews and articles.

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    Thats why the advertising is so slanted
    or maybe intel just has more money to spend on advertisement(considering they lead the processor market that would be safe to say...)

    Lastly if THG is so horribly biased find me a site that shows that the AMD 3200+ kicks intel...

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    I think they rent their main operations building from Intel, though i'm still not convinced they are overly biased.

    But, i'll try and look out for it in the future just in case.

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    >>Lastly if THG is so horribly biased find me a site that shows that the AMD 3200+ kicks intel...


    None can straight out say that, and heres a quote to explain it.

    Each processor family has a unique set of strengths and unavoidable weaknesses. Like it or not, the Pentium 4 struggles somewhat with business applications. Along the same lines, the Athlon simply won’t overtake the Pentium 4 in SSE2-optimized code until it becomes compatible (which will happen when Athlon 64 debuts). So the key here is to determine what sort of applications most closely match your workload and choose a processor accordingly.
    from http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardwa...200/page13.asp

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    Hyper-Threading Technology requires a computer system with an Intel® Pentium® 4 processor supporting HT Technology and a Hyper-Threading Technology enabled chipset, BIOS and operating system. Performance will vary depending on the specific hardware and software you use. See www.intel.com/info/hyperthreading for more information including details on which processors support HT Technology.
    --Intel

    Chipset and BIOS apply for every proc. DQed.

    OS needs support for SMP, nothing else. Linux is proof.

    It fakes a second proc.

    Since it has a nice amount of power behind it it can handle alot more threads. From its clockspeed(like normal) and design(new).

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    > Performance will vary depending on the specific hardware and software you use.

    You just skip that part, m_m?

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