Question about atheists

gcn_zelda · 08-06-2003, 06:45 PM

I'm just wondering. If you don't believe in a God, what do you guys/girls believe? What do you think happens when you die? Do you think you're gone without the ability to even think? I just wonder, because without religion to fill in the holes the scientists leave in their theories, it seems that everything would be impossible. For one example, gravity. How was gravity created? Is it just some thing that just happened? A natural phenomenon(or whatever that word is)? It's hard to understand everything if you don't believe in a god, in my opinion.

XSquared · 08-06-2003, 06:47 PM

Oh great. Another religion thread.

gcn_zelda · 08-06-2003, 06:52 PM

heh. I don't really care to start an argument(sp?), but I just want to know what they think

edit-by the way, I love your quote

XSquared · 08-06-2003, 06:54 PM

Which one?

gcn_zelda · 08-06-2003, 06:55 PM

your first one
edit-I tried to delete the post, but it won't allow me to.

Zach L. · 08-06-2003, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XSquared
Oh great. Another religion thread.

Agreed... But the wording on this one seems to indicate it has potential for a decent discussion. Come on guys, lets not screw it up.

Quote:

It's hard to understand everything if you don't believe in a god, in my opinion.

The simple answer (for me at least) is that I don't try to understand everything. How the four fundamental forces of the universe split the way they did, or where the universe came from are questions that I would definitely like to know, but I'm not sure it is possible to (granted that shouldn't be a taken that we should stop trying).

I'm a bit of a mathematician, so the way I see things is that there are fundamental axioms that are simply understood (cannot be defined by lower level components). The axioms of the universe potentially could have been much different, but everything is built upon those axioms. What exactly those axioms are (if they do indeed exist) is rather hard to say.

Cat · 08-06-2003, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by gcn_zelda
It's hard to understand everything if you don't believe in a god, in my opinion.

You'll never find wisdom if your goal is to "understand everything". No matter how much we understand about the universe, about nature, about ourselves, we only scratch the surface.

Further, the fact that humanity lacks understanding of some phenomena doesn't make that phenomena impossible, nor does it mean that an explanation can't exist. Until quantum mechanics came around, nobody could explain how the sun could undergo fusion. Under newtonian mechanics, the sun is hundreds of times too cold for fusion -- the average kinetic energy of a hydrogen ion can't even come close to overcoming the electrostatic barrier preventing ions from coming close enough to fuse.

But simply because we couldn't explain why the sun could undergo fusion doesn't mean there WASN'T an explanation. We just didn't know it.

Perspective · 08-06-2003, 07:26 PM

There are no holes in the scientific explanation of gravity.... it didnt just 'happen' its a result of mass. anything with mass has a gravitational field. (yes, even you, me, my computer, and the pencil on my desk) you can calculate the gravitational force between any two objects with F = (G * m1 * m2) / r^2 (is r squared?)

sorry if im straying off topic, but i cant really think of any scientific theories that 'use god to fill in the holes'. Just because we cant explain something does not mean it is unexplainable. it just hasnt been explained yet

gcn_zelda · 08-06-2003, 07:28 PM

>>its a result of mass. anything with mass has a gravitational field

Why is that so, though?

*ClownPimp* · 08-06-2003, 08:07 PM

If your really interested in atheism here is a good place to look for info.

RoD · 08-06-2003, 10:09 PM

>>I'm just wondering. If you don't believe in a God, what do you guys/girls believe?

Evolution, that were here, $$$$ happens.

>>What do you think happens when you die?

I'll decompose.

>>Do you think you're gone without the ability to even think?

Bug food cant think.

>>I just wonder, because without religion to fill in the holes the scientists leave in their theories, it seems that everything would be impossible. For one example, gravity. How was gravity created?

Dunno, try not to think too hard. Theres some answers that need to be left untouched.

The bible dates the planet to a certain time period, i dont member its exact i dont study the bible. The problem with this date is this: Its after dinasours. (spelling)

adrianxw · 08-06-2003, 10:30 PM

>>> Do you think you're gone without the ability to even think?

This is one of the reason's religion persists. People don't like the truth, i.e. that when they die - they're dead, finished, over, gone. Much easier to invent a belief system whereby after death there is something else.

There are many models for gravity, none truly accurate at the moment, but that doesn't mean anything. Most things had dubious models before the truth of the matter was discovered. I am quite sure that gravity will be adequately understood one day.

gcn_zelda · 08-06-2003, 10:49 PM

>>Evolution, that were here, $$$$ happens

heh

RoD · 08-06-2003, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gcn_zelda
>>Evolution, that were here, $$$$ happens

heh

thought u'd like that.

novacain · 08-06-2003, 11:32 PM

>>If you don't believe in a God, what do you guys/girls believe?

That the world would be abetter place if we all lived for the present and not some promised paradise.
I believe in Clyde's Invisible Kangaroo and Father Christmas.

Why don't you still believe in Father Christmas?
Did your parents or friends tell you he was not real?
do you have any proof of your own, did the person who told you? No, you just accepted what they believe and copied thier faith.

Why do you believe in God?
Did your parents or friends tell you he was real?
do you have any proof of your own, did the person who told you? No, you just accepted what they believe and copied thier faith.

Most people follow the path of least resistance........

>>What do you think happens when you die? Do you think you're gone without the ability to even think?

That is it, your life is over. Why do you think we have to go on?

>>I just wonder, because without religion to fill in the holes the scientists leave in their theories, it seems that everything would be impossible.

You can't make this statement without some examples. I don't accept "it seems that everything would be impossible" is even remotely true.

Can you name a theory that has religion fill a hole in it?

>>It's hard to understand everything if you don't believe in a god, in my opinion.

If I understood everything I would know what was going to happen tomorrow and the next day ect. Without surpises, new discoveries and anticipation I would not survive.

08-06-2003, 06:45 PM	#1
gcn_zelda Rad Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 942	Question about atheists I'm just wondering. If you don't believe in a God, what do you guys/girls believe? What do you think happens when you die? Do you think you're gone without the ability to even think? I just wonder, because without religion to fill in the holes the scientists leave in their theories, it seems that everything would be impossible. For one example, gravity. How was gravity created? Is it just some thing that just happened? A natural phenomenon(or whatever that word is)? It's hard to understand everything if you don't believe in a god, in my opinion. __________________ -Stephen Cope smc42190@gmail.com http://purevolume.com/step http://myspace.com/stephencope
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08-06-2003, 06:47 PM	#2
XSquared C++ Developer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UWaterloo Posts: 2,718	Oh great. Another religion thread. __________________ Naturally I didn't feel inspired enough to read all the links for you, since I already slaved away for long hours under a blistering sun pressing the search button after typing four whole words! - Quzah You. Fetch me my copy of the Wall Street Journal. You two, fight to the death - Stewie
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08-06-2003, 06:52 PM	#3
gcn_zelda Rad Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 942	heh. I don't really care to start an argument(sp?), but I just want to know what they think edit-by the way, I love your quote __________________ -Stephen Cope smc42190@gmail.com http://purevolume.com/step http://myspace.com/stephencope
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08-06-2003, 06:54 PM	#4
XSquared C++ Developer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UWaterloo Posts: 2,718	Which one? __________________ Naturally I didn't feel inspired enough to read all the links for you, since I already slaved away for long hours under a blistering sun pressing the search button after typing four whole words! - Quzah You. Fetch me my copy of the Wall Street Journal. You two, fight to the death - Stewie
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08-06-2003, 06:55 PM	#5
gcn_zelda Rad Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 942	your first one edit-I tried to delete the post, but it won't allow me to. __________________ -Stephen Cope smc42190@gmail.com http://purevolume.com/step http://myspace.com/stephencope
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08-06-2003, 07:26 PM	#8
Perspective Crazy Fool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,596	There are no holes in the scientific explanation of gravity.... it didnt just 'happen' its a result of mass. anything with mass has a gravitational field. (yes, even you, me, my computer, and the pencil on my desk) you can calculate the gravitational force between any two objects with F = (G * m1 * m2) / r^2 (is r squared?) sorry if im straying off topic, but i cant really think of any scientific theories that 'use god to fill in the holes'. Just because we cant explain something does not mean it is unexplainable. it just hasnt been explained yet
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08-06-2003, 07:28 PM	#9
gcn_zelda Rad Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 942	>>its a result of mass. anything with mass has a gravitational field Why is that so, though? __________________ -Stephen Cope smc42190@gmail.com http://purevolume.com/step http://myspace.com/stephencope
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08-06-2003, 08:07 PM	#10
ClownPimp Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 552	If your really interested in atheism here is a good place to look for info. __________________ C Code. C Code Run. Run Code Run... Please! "Love is like a blackhole, you fall into it... then you get ripped apart"
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08-06-2003, 10:09 PM	#11
RoD Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,334	Re: Question about atheists >>I'm just wondering. If you don't believe in a God, what do you guys/girls believe? Evolution, that were here, $$$$ happens. >>What do you think happens when you die? I'll decompose. >>Do you think you're gone without the ability to even think? Bug food cant think. >>I just wonder, because without religion to fill in the holes the scientists leave in their theories, it seems that everything would be impossible. For one example, gravity. How was gravity created? Dunno, try not to think too hard. Theres some answers that need to be left untouched. The bible dates the planet to a certain time period, i dont member its exact i dont study the bible. The problem with this date is this: Its after dinasours. (spelling)
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08-06-2003, 10:30 PM	#12
adrianxw It's full of stars Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,833	>>> Do you think you're gone without the ability to even think? This is one of the reason's religion persists. People don't like the truth, i.e. that when they die - they're dead, finished, over, gone. Much easier to invent a belief system whereby after death there is something else. There are many models for gravity, none truly accurate at the moment, but that doesn't mean anything. Most things had dubious models before the truth of the matter was discovered. I am quite sure that gravity will be adequately understood one day. __________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity unto the dream.
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08-06-2003, 10:49 PM	#13
gcn_zelda Rad Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 942	>>Evolution, that were here, $$$$ happens heh __________________ -Stephen Cope smc42190@gmail.com http://purevolume.com/step http://myspace.com/stephencope
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08-06-2003, 11:32 PM	#15
novacain train spotter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: near a computer Posts: 3,452	>>If you don't believe in a God, what do you guys/girls believe? That the world would be abetter place if we all lived for the present and not some promised paradise. I believe in Clyde's Invisible Kangaroo and Father Christmas. Why don't you still believe in Father Christmas? Did your parents or friends tell you he was not real? do you have any proof of your own, did the person who told you? No, you just accepted what they believe and copied thier faith. Why do you believe in God? Did your parents or friends tell you he was real? do you have any proof of your own, did the person who told you? No, you just accepted what they believe and copied thier faith. Most people follow the path of least resistance........ >>What do you think happens when you die? Do you think you're gone without the ability to even think? That is it, your life is over. Why do you think we have to go on? >>I just wonder, because without religion to fill in the holes the scientists leave in their theories, it seems that everything would be impossible. You can't make this statement without some examples. I don't accept "it seems that everything would be impossible" is even remotely true. Can you name a theory that has religion fill a hole in it? >>It's hard to understand everything if you don't believe in a god, in my opinion. If I understood everything I would know what was going to happen tomorrow and the next day ect. Without surpises, new discoveries and anticipation I would not survive. __________________ "Man alone suffers so excruciatingly in the world that he was compelled to invent laughter." Friedrich Nietzsche "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars......the rest I squandered." George Best "If you are going through hell....keep going." Winston Churchill
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