Mission Unix Dumb-Ass to Unix-guru

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    Originally posted by Brian
    No! Don't use Linux. Linux is very dissimilar to the Unix you will be using. Many Linux distros these days are guilty of XP'ing up linux, so you get a bubbly interface hiding all the power. If you want to experience a real Unix, download FreeBSD. It is surprisingly easy to learn, very powerful, and in many respects faster and more stable (i.e. less bloat) than linux.

    Please don't flame me. I speak my opinion.
    Every Unix out there (other than the non-standard ones on pda's, etc) has a shell. Linux is no different. You can almost always type commands in the shell, even within a 'bubbly' interface.

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    the bsd are more traditional, but so are some linuxs.

    get something like redhat, it brakes alot of rules but it make it easy to start out. from there probally gentoo or slack(depending on your computer and how brave you are).

    bsd probally are better, but linux is easier to learn and use. there not that different any more..



    nice thread title by the way.

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    Originally posted by ygfperson
    Every Unix out there (other than the non-standard ones on pda's, etc) has a shell. Linux is no different. You can almost always type commands in the shell, even within a 'bubbly' interface.
    what i mean is that linux encourages the use of resource hogging interfaces rather than the shell. The shell is the whole point of linux, if you make linux users use the bubbly interface like mandrake and redhat are doing these days, they wont learn anything and will be better off with XP.

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    hmmm... Brian, I'm using that "bubbly interface" as we speak and I'm still more or less lost. signature I've been forced to use the command line many times in order to do things, and I'm just getting started with learning. I think that there is still a lot to be learned from using the GUI - it's not without value, and makes Linux a bit less intimidating the first time you boot to it.
    Away.

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    Originally posted by blackrat364
    hmmm... Brian, I'm using that "bubbly interface" as we speak and I'm still more or less lost. signature I've been forced to use the command line many times in order to do things, and I'm just getting started with learning. I think that there is still a lot to be learned from using the GUI - it's not without value, and makes Linux a bit less intimidating the first time you boot to it.
    One of Window's pitfalls is the forced use of the GUI, this makes remote administration practically impossible without a load of specialised tools, and also makes new users to UNIX wonder why everything doesnt have a button.

    It's fine if a unix GUI program performs administration tasks visually, whilst in the background using the shell, but if administration tasks are moved to the GUI entirely, this brings a whole new load of problems to SSH fans.

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    to make it nice and short, there need to be a separation of kernel and gui and we need better guis!

    part of the problem is that no one wants a big change, but brian does have a point.

    im hoping a new x/kde-like project will start up. the idea is good but i dont like how it worked out.

    this might be a good place to get some answers......

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    blackbox
    fluxbox
    icewm

    etc... ring a bell?

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    there all built on a very old x.

    i couldnt stand having those as a desktop...

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    Originally posted by mart_man00
    there all built on a very old x.

    i couldnt stand having those as a desktop...
    no they are built on the same xwindows as you use...

    and by the way icewm looks pretty damn nice if your into the kde bubbly fancy graphics desktops

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    i never did check out icewm, not that bad. but its still more of a windows manager than a desktop if you know what i mean.

    i migh use one of those on older laptop soon, kde/gnome is pretty big.

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    i dont see why anyone would need anything more than windowmaker.

    stupid resource-hogging posers.

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    i dont see why anyone would need anything more than windowmaker.
    why do we have c or assembly, staight binary does the job fine.

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    Originally posted by mart_man00
    why do we have c or assembly, staight binary does the job fine.
    Wimp! Using software! Build all functionality into the hardware - there won't be anything to become corrupt.
    Away.

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    Originally posted by mart_man00
    why do we have c or assembly, staight binary does the job fine.
    look. It's not an eyesore, it's easy to use, and it gets the job done, with 90% less bloat than GNOME or KDE.

    ps recompiling your kernel gets you laid.

    ps. im on root because i needed to buildworld before su would work.
    Last edited by Brian; 07-17-2003 at 11:54 AM.

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    I know that the more I talk of Unix,the bigger fool I make of myself,simply cause I don't know a damn about it,but I do wanna get a distinction in the I sem.
    Can someone show me a screenshot of unix?Well,it is used for servers and clients.So i guess it has GUI.But I've been working with Windows since I was 10(and I must say,did very well with it!).So a non-Windows GUI OS is allien to my short-range brain-span.

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