Thread: Chemtrails?

>now i have to look up the exception. i dont remember if it only worked the once or was actually written in. any one know what im thing off here?

The only exception im aware of is in times of war free speech can be limited if there is a "clear and present danger" to the US. War doesnt give the government liscense to throw the constitution out the window

Originally posted by Zach L.
Japanese-Americans were denied their basic rights as US Citizens when they were interned (illegal search and seizure, imprisonment without trial, the list goes on). Those are rights guaranteed to all Americans under the Constitution.

The government, by interning the Japanese, asserted its 'right' to revoke its founding principles simply because people were afraid of what others looked like. That is no way to run a civilized country, and the dehumanization of Japanese during that time most if not physically cruel (which it was... conditions were poor, and many people were packed into relatively small camps), it was certainly cruel mentally.

These were ordinary citizens of the US, like many of us here. They had done nothing to evoke such punishment except to be born with the wrong DNA.

I agree.

Also, Canada wasn't very nice to Japanese Immigrants either. Go here for brief list of what we did: http://www.jcnm.ca/Jchist.htm

We removed their children from schools, took away their homes, business's, everything they worked their lives for. On top of that we evacuated them, split up their families, censored their mail, placed them in detention camps, sold their land without consulting owners, disposed of Japanese possessions without consent. Among those we also deported nearly 4000 Canadian Citizens back to Japan, and others were killed due to protests etc.. and I have no idea what Japan did to them when they arrived.

Even though we repayed the survivors it is no excuse to hide behind our wrongdoings. I, unlike martman, am able to admit that my country did something unjustified, horrible and wrong, and will not hide behind any baseless excuse possible.

martman thinks:
Are they not 'American' enough?
yes, they are not.

So martman, given that you don't write english very well at times, how 'American' are you?

You're not out of this yet martman. Why should we have done some deporting? What, other than skin color, made the Japanese-American citizens any different from other citizens? What reason, once again, other than skin color, did we have to deny them basic rights as citizens?

Would you consider it "understandable under the conditions" if you were deported for a similar reason?

The enemy was the Japanese empire - not the Japanese-american citizens. We shouldn't have allowed immigration, of course. That's completely different. Perhaps we shouldn't allow immigration from the middle east now. That's also completely different. But we shouldn't harass the arab-american citizens who've been in this country forever - we shouldn't screen them - we shouldn't deport them - we shouldn't do anything to them unless we have a probable cause. We have these things - we call them "trials." We could try some of those occasionally instead of convicting based on heritage.

Originally posted by mart_man00
no one would, you just have to hope every one else does. thats like say we shouldnt put people in jail.

Flawed analogy. People are put in jail (after a trial) for a crime they commited (theoretically, though the justice system isn't perfect), not for a crime commited by someone who bears mild resemblance to them several thousand miles away.

And in your opinion, who should, and who should not receive a trial? What if they had been American citizens? Would they still not deserve a trial?

I tried to ignore you but................

Look at this letter from a US mother concerned about her son.

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/candace.htm

It objects to the spraying in 1999 of bacteria in New Mexico. It mentions other acts by the US gov. including the THE TUSKEGEE SYPHILIS STUDY. A study ending in 1972 in which black American males with syphillis were not told what disease they had, denyed treatment so syphillis could be studied. All died without being told they could be treated....

I suppose that does not matter mart_man because they were black?

Just as Camp X_Ray violating the Geneva Convention, International Law and the US constitution does not matter because the 'illegal combatants' as young as 13 are not US citizens?

http://www.healthnewsnet.com/humanexperiments.html
Has some good examples like

"1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates."

"1994 With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made."

"1995 U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research."

"1995 Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections."

Holy ........, I'm never going to the U.S.
They'll probably feed me to cats to see how they react or something crazy... then we'll get people like martman saying "Should've stayed out of our country! Hah!"

mart_man, here's another thing to consider. I'm not going to call you any names, and neither has anybody else...and I doubt there are many pinkos on this board. But in the United States, the country in question, the philosophy of a judge in a court of law is supposed to be that "it is better to let ten guilty men walk free than to put one innocent man in jail." Now, consider the internment camps in a new light.