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What USA lost and gain from the WAR against Iraq?

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    prejudiced...definately
    well atleast its narrowed down alittle? what do you mean? i mention a case and the black politicains(not alot, and few that they have are corrupt. its not like other groups dont have the same problems but it does seem to get more attention) vs black people(normally not proud how they are represented). now im wondering about the numbers(how many people vs how many representatives/officials).

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    No, martman00 is a racist and not worth the time to respond too.

    Have we all read the latest Gallup International Survey?

    Deals with world opinions on the war in Iraq. (over 32,000 people world wide)

    "Only in the USA itself, in Albania, and in UN administered Kosovo do citizens
    feel the world is a safer place since the recent military action (48%, 64% and 59%
    respectively). Majorities in all other countries think that as a result of recent military
    action in Afghanistan and Iraq, the world is a more dangerous place. It is not a
    surprise then that in almost all countries included in the survey, majorities also
    disagree that the threat of terrorism has been significantly reduced by the war. "

    "Most countries agree that the US is too keen to use military force – notably
    highest in Russia (87%) and France (87%), But agreement is also high in Finland
    (81%), Switzerland (80%), Serbia (former Yugoslavia 84%) and Turkey (75%).
    Highest disagreement levels are found in the USA (51%), Philippines (52%); with
    disagreement also in Germany (32%), Portugal (31%), Albania (37%), Malaysia (40%),
    Cameroon (41%) and Nigeria (46%). "

    "Large majorities in all countries agree there can be no peace in the region
    without a settlement of the Israel/Palestine issue."

    http://www.gallup-international.com/surveys.htm

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    howdy,
    do any of you think we Americans care what you think of us, because the guy on the American streets could not care less.
    we tryed caring but we got sucker punched 9/11, now we have changed the rules and yes we make the rules. if you are a terrorist, if you deal with terrorist, if your government deals with terrorists we will attack you. if that makes you angry thats just too bad.

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    howdy,
    do any of you think we Americans care what you think of us, because the guy on the American streets could not care less.
    we tryed caring but we got sucker punched 9/11, now we have changed the rules and yes we make the rules. if you are a terrorist, if you deal with terrorist, if your government deals with terrorists we will attack you. if that makes you angry thats just too bad.
    i think this makes like 2 people i agree with now.......some many pinkos in the world.

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    "Only in the USA itself, in Albania, and in UN administered Kosovo do citizens
    feel the world is a safer place since the recent military action (48%, 64% and 59%
    respectively). Majorities in all other countries think that as a result of recent military
    action in Afghanistan and Iraq, the world is a more dangerous place. It is not a
    surprise then that in almost all countries included in the survey, majorities also
    disagree that the threat of terrorism has been significantly reduced by the war. "
    I had to respond to this... so the rest of the world doesn't feel safe anymore -- I guess that's b/c before we took action the US was an easy mark and everyone knew that any terrorism would be targeted against us, so they all relaxed knowing they were shielded by the fact that the terrorists hate and focus was on the US ... now we have shown that it will be harder to get us and there will be severe consequences to those who wish to perpetrate those acts -- so now the terrorists are going after easier targets like the european nations. The europeans are only mad b/c the US is not going to stand still and take the hits anymore - leaving their stagnant ass unshielded to terrorism.

    The threat of terrorism against the US has greatly diminished due to the dismantling of bin laden's org and the HOT pursuit of other terrorists... As an american I feel safer and that is all that matterz - I couldn't give a ratz ass about how the french feel that they are vulnerable to attack- that's their problem-- bunch o' panzy loaferz... The US is done shielding u lazy mofo's...

    This is all whining... b/c for the first time these countries have to SHARE the burden of protection - no more riding on the US's dime.

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    This is all whining... b/c for the first time these countries have to SHARE the burden of protection - no more riding on the US's dime.
    im starting to like this thread, some americans are posting.

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting rid of terrorists.

    I just disagree with the current machiavellian methods used, particularly the use of pre-emptive violence.

    The situation in Camp X-Ray concerns me. It sets a precident that is most likely to be used against US troops (and their allies) to violate their Geneva Convention rights.

    >>because the guy on the American streets could not care less.

    I think this is part of the problem (and universal).

    ...and I'm not part of the silent majority.

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    pre-emptive violence
    you preferer us to do nothing? be european and let some one else do it? become canadain and forget about a military at all? be more liberal and focos on the economy(which would be so useful in a nuclear holocaust. atleast we can say the 2 savivors will cant tax relief in a couple decades).

    seriously here, what would you like to see here? we have been screwed over for years and are finally taking a stance.

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    Originally posted by itld
    howdy,
    do any of you think we Americans care what you think of us, because the guy on the American streets could not care less.
    we tryed caring but we got sucker punched 9/11, now we have changed the rules and yes we make the rules. if you are a terrorist, if you deal with terrorist, if your government deals with terrorists we will attack you. if that makes you angry thats just too bad.

    M.R.
    Occupying any country was&&is terrorism and more. If you don't agree with me, should I request you? Go wherever you want, do whatever you want to do yourself. You may replace whatever/where with your cultural decent words here.

    Ohh... don't talk about UN ever in future. She is dead.

    Peace is costly when you take someone's, what do you expect from her. So, don't worry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, you will have lesson. USA will have it's shipment of terrorism in any moment, ordered, exported and manufactured by itself. US terrorist activities will be refunded time to time in an appropriate manner. This is a must. Though without any doubt present government of USA does have but if this (No caring about the others but interfere) is the opinion of the people of USA, of course the consequence is pretty clear. You and me, no one have to be worry about it. Just watch. If you don't understand or try to understand the logic, watching will help you and me. You will find that it's better to stay home at your own world in an island. Ohh.... I still believe “Might is Right”.
    Forget that hate brings hate, may be terrorism and hate will bring peace and love for USA. Hopfully, I will remain alife for next 30+ years. Lets see and enjoy the US theory and equation.
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    ok were back to pinko rants again.

    it was said before, we used to help every one. weather the disirved it or not didnt matter. we paid the bills and we sent our guys out there. no that were all only affter being attacked were finally doing something on our own, something a american would be proud of.

    every one knows why we got hit on 9/11. first of all were have gotten to liberal. since clinton we did nothing with our military, nothing with overall security, we just had a bum take credit for the internet and talk about his "legacy". second, who else would matter enought? canada taking over by terrorists, new at a elevan. theres a real surprise. what have they every done? do they even have a military any more or will they just suck up to us (again) when there under attack? we are the top dog.

    if your whining about else trying to secure things up then you cant like the law period. i cant arrest one gand member, he has friends!!!! sure they only have knives and were have a few gajillion missles, but they have knifes!!!! its like every gun control incident, its fine when your $$$$$ing about some one defending themseleves and calling them savages but when its you or your family its completly different.

    all this comes down to is we broke away from europe and have done better than they have ever done. they fact that were seperated still kills you. just like in the one sig, the anti-west one.

    its always americas fault, atleast now were doing something.

    i cant wait to see what im going to get back on this one. am i a conten-ists or savage? or is the fact that you cant argue with this going to make you change the subject, like before. i never did get any answers, but i still get $$$$$ing.

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    i cant wait to see what im going to get back on this one. am i a conten-ists or savage? or is the fact that you cant argue with this going to make you change the subject, like before. i never did get any answers, but i still get $$$$$ing.
    You won't get much. You have an oppinion that you cannot or will not back up with facts. I asked you before, you still have not answered. You post a lot of hot air that is hard to read. I won't criticise someone on his or her spelling, being a foreign language for many people here ( myself included ). But if you need to argue a point and cannot spare the time or wits to actually post a statement with few errors on the easiest ( spelling/grammar ) level in your native language, I don't think you are worth debating with on a higher level. Get some education, both for easy things like writing and tougher things like global politics.

    This is all whining... b/c for the first time these countries have to SHARE the burden of protection - no more riding on the US's dime.
    But you do know that most european countries need to protect american property from terrorist attacks, not their own ? Terrorists will not come to europe bombing a french restaurant or a german marketplace. They will bomb an american embassy or military base. I'm not afraid when I'm at the town hall... I'm afraid when I'm near an american building.

    ( Just for the record, I'm still pro war. But oppinions of a totally misinformed loud, american minority make me regret it. )
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    Everything said by nvoigt
    amen.

    >>canada taking over by terrorists, new at a elevan. theres a real surprise. what have they every done? do they even have a military any more or will they just suck up to us (again) when there under attack?<<

    Why do you hate Canada? What did they ever do to you? Did a Canadian steal your girlfriend or something? Canada is a lovely country, nothing wrong with it IMO. They don't have a military but then again, when you are about as likely to be attacked as Canada is, why bother wasting the billions of dollars? They haven't been attacked for goodness knows how long so why bother getting involved in the bloody reality of a war? And suggesting that terrorists taking over Canada is likely is a bit rich considering the 9/11 terrorists were trained in America

    I have no problem with America or Americans, just with people, no, monkeys is a better term, like you. Oh and quit slagging off Europe will you? I'm a European and if you were to watch the TV a little while ago you would have seen our troops in Iraq too.

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    it was said before, we used to help every one. weather the disirved it or not didnt matter. we paid the bills and we sent our guys out there
    You really have no idea, do you?
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    that is hard to read.
    Sorry, I know just try to get it posted first. It either moves quickly or I just don’t care. I try to run things threw a spell check.

    Why do you hate Canada?
    I don’t hate Canada; it’s just an easy example. Everyone knows where they are, a lot of people know exactly what I’m talking about and there’s a good chance a couple might post. I know they have basically no military any more. I live right by the border and know people that were in their military (mostly distance relatives or fathers of friends).

    You have an oppinion that you cannot or will not back up with facts
    Yeah, just history, what real Americans think. Just what a couple people with enough balls to enlist thing, just what people that at one point had enough balls to enlist.

    I guess if your not a American you shouldn’t agree with much (if a single thing at all), but if you are you should just hate how I put it.

    Plus I noticed how this is moving like the Democratic Party, only when it suits you. There’s is never any debate about something that gets started; it’s always these side-tracks.

    Like taxes went to racism. And intervention is just turn into west bashing.
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