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What USA lost and gain from the WAR against Iraq?

This is a discussion on What USA lost and gain from the WAR against Iraq? within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally posted by mart_man00 i hate when of all of the intelligence crap gets thrown in, all of your kind ...

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    Originally posted by mart_man00
    i hate when of all of the intelligence crap gets thrown in, all of your kind just runs to their momies crying and yelling heil clinton heil clinton.

    its the truth, what have other countried ever done for us? what have we done for them? what have we tried to do for them? what have they tried to do for us?

    we should just drop from the un and be done wit it, perminate alliances never work. just like giving every one a say doesnt work. how many of the countries objecting/complainging have any right to? half of the people a make a couple of chickens a year! its a war of the civilazations,
    not 3rd world countries.
    You're right, intelligence breeds pussy pinko commie fags. I say we slaughter any weaker country, especially ones where they're starving and can barely feed themselves. I mean, who the ........ are they helping? They're just a drain on the planet's resources.








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    hmm, not terrorists or get own military killed for conflicts that arent ours, so objectionable. its only what the country was founded, its only common sense. just because it didnt work for the first decase maybe it will work for the next one, after all we are the only country in the world that has to pay the bill or have are men killed.

    great, from a man in fl, you cant vote but you can get on a board, what a country this has turned into. bet you filled in clinton to.......

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    Originally posted by mart_man00
    hmm, not terrorists or get own military killed for conflicts that arent ours, so objectionable. its only what the country was founded, its only common sense. just because it didnt work for the first decase maybe it will work for the next one, after all we are the only country in the world that has to pay the bill or have are men killed.

    great, from a man in fl, you cant vote but you can get on a board, what a country this has turned into. bet you filled in clinton to.......
    Voting jokes? You, sir, are the epitome of wit.

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    I believe that the US benefited, the whole point of this was to stop another Hitler on the uprise. We accomplished that, he was just finishing what daddy started(don't quote me on that).

    Anyways, there is always going to be some anti-whatever person here complaining about everything. I think our method saved more lives in the longrun.
    Either way, it already happened.
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    We accomplished that, he was just finishing what daddy started.
    sorry, had to quote it. why didnt we take care of him the first time around anyway? any history buffs in the thread?

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    The War in Iraq foused the US media on a bad guy that could be punished for his actions. Away from the shadowy terrorists that can't be found.

    They are armed with nukes and fissile material (for dirty bombs). The US secret service assumes they are already in the US.

    So the 'Battle for Iraq' reasured the US public that the US is strong and capable and hid the fact that the terrorists can attack anytime they want and can not be stopped.

    GWB looks like a hero, ready for a second term, with some great PR footage on the carrier. (As long as no-one mentions the kids in Camp X-Ray.)

    Cheney's going to make huge $ from Iraqi oil (his company Halliburton was awarded the billion $ contract without any other tenders)
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    In response to the other posts.

    >>just like giving every one a say doesnt work.

    So democracy, like that in the US isn't working?

    >>how many of the countries objecting/complainging have any right to? half of the people a make a couple of chickens a year!

    So if it does not have a $ value it is worthless. So if I make more money than you I am better and should have more say than you in how the world is run?

    This is what is wrong with US culture, no moral fiber. No compassion, no respect for other cultures and people.

    >> It's now much easier for us to say "go **** yourself" to those countries who showed their true anti-US colors.

    Why is it that disagreeing with any US foriegn policy is 'anti US'?

    Can you only be pro US if you agree with everything the US administration wants to do?

    >>a bunch of basicly hillbillies with aks are angry,

    And with access to plane tickets or fertilizer and diesel......

    >>atleat the guy that could be a handfull and could do some real damge to us is gone.

    With what could Sadam have done any dammage? His 24 outdated fighters?
    The tonnes of WMD the US has discovered and destroyed?

    >>it will take a while but people will learn, atleast nothing can happen to us .

    No chance of a repeat of S11 or Bali or USS Cole or Indian Parlement or Russian theater or ??

    >>what have other countried ever done for us? what have we done for them? what have we tried to do for them? what have they tried to do for us?

    Why is it all about how much we owe the US?

    USA's aid, in terms of percentage of their GDP is already lowest of any industrialized nation in the world.

    The order of the top 20 based as a percentage of total country income is in 2001:

    Denmark
    Norway
    Netherlands
    Luxembourg
    Sweden
    Belgium
    Switzerland
    France
    Ireland
    Finland
    UK
    Spain
    Germany
    Portugal
    New Zealand
    Austria
    Australia
    Japan
    canada
    Greece
    Italy
    US

    source :: http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp

    Since 1992 Japan has been the worlds largest _gross_ Aid contributor.

    The US regained this in 2001 thanks to $600 million in aid to Pakistan for its help in Afghanistan.

    >>after all we are the only country in the world that has to pay the bill or have are men killed.

    Oh. So no UK personel were killed?
    No Australians were involved?
    No Iraqi civilians or Kurdish fighters were either?

    No other countries were involved in Afghanistan?
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    US always plays a double game.. THough it knows that Pakistan supports Jihad and terrorism it supports them.. And say after 10 years will have a war with them as it happened in Afganistan and Iraq. Give them all the weapons as aid and then after 10 years say that they have weapon of mass distruction...

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    no time to do all mthe posts

    So if it does not have a $ value it is worthless. So if I make more money than you I am better and should have more say than you in how the world is run?
    no, money doesnt matter, unless it looks like money from decades ago.

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    Originally posted by mart_man00
    yes, i said us. if you are a american you should want us to succeed first the other countries and you should value american lives just alittle more.
    If you're an American who believes in the same principles the Founding Fathers used to validate the American War for Independence, you believe in the equality of all people--no life is more valuable than another. You would also believe that a people has a right to determine its own government and not have some foreign power impose a particular government upon them.

    In the short run, having the United States restore a democratic government to Iraq may seem like a good thing, but the Shiite Muslims already seem poised to create a fundamentalist Islamic republic if the democratic voice of the nations in Iraq are truly heard. The United States is supposedly working to prevent any fundamentalist or despotic governments from regenerating in this country, but again this violates democratic principles even if the principle means the end of democracy in an area.

    It still seems, under the guise of bringing a more liberal democracy to Iraq, that the U.S. government has really prepared for the imperial extraction of natural resources and wealth. The U.S. is having new laws written that are very friendly to large American corporations (instead of allowing Iraq to develop its own economic policy and regulations) and is handing out contracts for things they cannot claim to own except by force of arms.

    Yes, I am always for letting people live their lives free from the control of a despotic totalitarian government; yes, I am always in favor of letting the people have control of their government; but I also believe these principles cannot be violated to achieve those ends.

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    god save the queen

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    mart_man00 quote:
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    If so, we'll be nuking anyone who says "USA sucks."
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    not a bad idea, to bad it couldnt be done........

    i like the east $hit and die foreign policy better. not get involved with conflicts not involving/threatening us and not helping any one thats hurting us.




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    I can understand the Americans who say, US is the only country, all the others are $$$$ ... .

    I can understand this because about 60-70 years ago, it was the same situation in Germany, where I'm from.
    People even loved the nazi regime and they lived for it. This was the case becouse they were victims of propagande. They just did not know what was going on.
    But they woke up,... badly..

    Compare the methods of the nazi regime and some techniques used to make the american population believe that what they are doing has to be done and is the only right thing.
    (Compare: Germany overrun Poland,saying Poland attacked Germany -- now, ever heard of the legend of an american ship which was sayed to be attacked by >>a country<<)

    I can understand your thoughts because you don't know what's going on in America (at least very few of you know what is going on).
    Your president makes you believe that Saddam is dangerous for you, that he has got MCWs. He doesn't have.
    Even the CIA says that there is no danger for the US becouse of Iraq. The people who invented this story is a group (of about 20 people)in Pentagon which G.W.Bush has created to justify war against Iraq.
    The "proves" the US presented the world at the UN figured out to be not true within a few day (sometimes heard about 1 day).

    Big Question:
    How can a country democratize another country, though the country itself is no real democracy, a democratic country in which a man who doesn't get the most votes gets President. I think if Bush would not be your President, you would think different, and things would be much better now.

    Wake up! Don't let blind yourselves from your government.
    Maybe you will wake up,..,when it's too late.
    Don't believe everything, question their statements.

    Hey, non US people don't hate you because they say what you are doing is not ok, and war can be avoided, people die.
    >>If so, we'll be nuking anyone who says "USA sucks."

    likes thats not going to happen anyway??
    you will die as well.
    i hate when of all of the intelligence crap gets thrown in,
    if all americans think would have thought the same way, world would not exist in its actual form!
    I hope not all americans are your opinion.
    Maybe you will understand what war is like, when you feel bombs falling on your head.
    Last edited by n_h; 05-09-2003 at 12:40 PM.

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    [i]ummmm, we also have 99.9% of the arab world hating us.


    BTW, if there are any arabs here, can you tell me how much the US is actually hated over there [/B]
    Well most arab muslims hate the USA that's for sure. I know that cuz i see that in my country everyday (Lebanon); They always try to blow up the McDonalds/Burgur Kings and other american restaurants. I know that most of you don't undestand this, but most of the muslim arab world can't survive without dictatorship. I mean they hide behind their fake democracy, but the truth is that most arab countries are ruled by dictators. Take syria for exemple, just after the death of the president, his son was elected by 99.9%. Same thing happens in Egypt,Lybia...A president getting elected by a 99.9% majority isn't a demopcracy. That was makes the arab muslim hate the USA so much, they haven't experienced democracy by any means. Oh another thing, don't get fooled by the arab demonstration against the US that you see on TV, you must understand that most of the arab muslim persons will support whoever is in power, they don't support an opinion, they don't support a plan to develop their countries...they just support the man who is in power. I can giveyou an exemple: In my country, politicians are all morons and don't have a clue about how to play a real role in politics, they just rip the country, increase taxes...and people usually demostrates against them and their new rules..but when elections are due...PUFF PUFF GIVE...same people are elected(or their sons). Same family names are still in power here since the second wolrd war. Anywayz, the conclusion is that whoever doesn't experience any political democracy will unconsciously hate the US when western presidents start talking about the arab world and its democracy.
    Last edited by WanTeD; 05-10-2003 at 02:09 AM.

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    >>What WanTeD said<<

    It's not often I post on the GD board cos most of it is rubbish but what this man says is probably the best post I have read in a while. In the west we live our free lives and look upon the east, almost as inferior, and ask ourselves the question 'How can anyone want to live under anything but democracy?'. Well the fact is we understand NOTHING about the Arab world but yet we automatically assume that our way of life is the best and that everyone should be subjected to it. In my opinion, that is what is at fault in many global disputes.

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