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    quantum mechanics

    some dude on a TFC server told me that originally the universe started with 12 dimensions, but that only 3 significantly expanded, and that is why quantum mechanics often deals with things on the small level because these dimensions didn't expand with the rest of the universe. I'm talking about phenomena such as electron tunneling (where an electron appears on both sides of a barrier in a transistor).

    Does this ring a bell to anyone? I haven't found it stated in exactly this same way (I'm reading http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm/#4 right now)

    Hmm.

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    Someone on a TFC server told you this?

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    I've already studied and mastered quantem science

    And thusly already know its foolishness. You pathetic humans are so tunnel visioned you fail to completely view everything before LEAPING to some insane conclusion.

    I'd love to elaborate for you the pitfalls of you ignorant theories on quantem mechanics--unfortunatly the human race is unready for this knowledge and would be unsafe for you.
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    One of the, now slightly older theories behind the big bang started with a quatum fluctuation in an 11 dimensional Higgs field. More recently, a number of problems with that theory were found to disappear if there were 12 instead of 11 dimensions.

    If your interested in pre big-bang theories, check out Membrane Theory. It is a little difficult to visualise at first, but is very elegent once you grasp the idea.
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    some dude on a TFC server told me that originally the universe started with 12 dimensions, but that only 3 significantly expanded, and that is why quantum mechanics often deals with things on the small level because these dimensions didn't expand with the rest of the universe. I'm talking about phenomena such as electron tunneling (where an electron appears on both sides of a barrier in a transistor).
    The multiple dimensional nature of the universe was found to be extremely helpfull in solving problems in string theory, (of which the membrane theory mentioned by Adrian is an extension)

    But i'm pretty sure that tunneling has nothing to do with the added dimensions.

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    well perhaps it was a poor example. I just wanted to know the validity of what he was saying.

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    I've already studied and mastered quantem science
    Reelly? You speeled quantum rong so i dout that u reely studdied it for all that long
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    I don't know anything about electron tunneling, but I do know that string theory permits the other dimentions to be rolled up into very tiny strings.

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    Originally posted by Silvercord
    well perhaps it was a poor example. I just wanted to know the validity of what he was saying.

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    Reelly? You speeled quantum rong so i dout that u reely studdied it for all that long

    You think your so smart with your witty sarcasm, too bad for yourself you again made another unfounded leap to conclusion.
    What you fail to realize that the secret society of super intelligence society dubbed the study quanTEM--as it is the temporal theory of unrelativity that disproved it. Of course which in it self is too complex to explain to the likes of you!


    HA-HAH! my wit and sarcasm wins again! :P
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    goten you still haven't answered my question (the point of this thread): was what the dude on the tfc server said correct? quantem isn't even a word. Oh well others have answered the question. I generally dont pay any attention to fat people but I make exceptions for you goten you should be proud of that.


    anyway I've always wondered about multidimensional (3+) analysis. I mean on one hand it can supposedly explain a lot of phenomena (sp?) that classical physics can't, but at the same time how can you even test to prove that higher dimensions actually exist? If you can't prove that these dimensions exist then everything is just theory, or the theories that explain unexplainable phenomena could be taken to stand as evidence. I dunno.

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    Originally posted by Silvercord
    quantem isnt even a word.
    I've already explained the tem ending and why it is done so in my sarcastic universe of which my goof ball answers have been originating for this thread. I dont usually bother spending this much time explaining sarcasm to gay people, but i've made the exception for you.


    I'd like to interject a serious thought on scientific theory--especialy in the case of infinity. I think that any real world application cannot be restricted by theoretical ideas. In the case of infinity--it doesnt seem to in practical application exist. Suposedly between 0 and 1 there are an infinite amount of decimals, and between 0 and 0.1 there are an infinite amount of decimals, infact there is an infinite amount of infinite decimals between any number. Trying to apply that to the real world just doesnt work. Take for example a mold for a plastic figurine. If there were really an infinity between 0 parts and 1 whole--you could never fill up the mold as it would take an infinite ammount of substance.

    It would be argued that infinity can be put to practical demonstration by simply counting, and the fact you can always count to one number greater. I refuse this application as I say the number system ends when you stop counting--and therefore quite finite.

    So i surmise that any feat that limited by the theory of infinity (accelerating to the speed of light for instance) is indeed not restricted in practical application.
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    "If there were really an infinity between 0 parts and 1 whole--you could never fill up the mold as it would take an infinite ammount of substance."

    That doesn't work, it assumes each part has a fixed volume, if you have an infinite number of parts each part consists will have an infinitely small volume.

    Further more take the example of fractals, a fractal consists of an infinite long line bound in a fixed area, you might think that this is impossible but its not, true fractals don't exist but many objects in the world are very much like fractals; snowflakes being the most famouns example.

    "So i surmise that any feat that limited by the theory of infinity (accelerating to the speed of light for instance) is indeed not restricted in practical application."

    ...... i'm afraid your wrong.

    IF you could reach the speed of light, THEN you would have an infinite mass, but you can't have an infinite mass which is the whole point. The closer you get, the larger your mass becomes the more eneergy you have to put in to accelerate, eventually you run out of energy.

    Infinites do not (as far as i'm aware) exist in real life but it doesn't matter, however often a large excess can be approximated well by considering it to be an infinite amount.

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    >>> Infinites do not (as far as i'm aware) exist in real life but it doesn't matter,

    Would not the multiverse in which the membranes of M theory float around need to be infinite?
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    "Would not the multiverse in which the membranes of M theory float around need to be infinite?"

    That's a very good point, i was thinking about phenomena within our universe, my grasp of membrane theory is little more than a overview gleaned from Hawking's book and a few other articles (and that was quiet a while ago) so i'm afraid i can't answer your question, but its quite possible that when positing explanations greater than our universe (like M theory) we have scenarios where infinities do literally exist.
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    For infinities in this universe, how about the singularity in a black hole?
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