End the UN

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    End the UN

    http://patriotpetitions.us/intro.asp?id=4

    Finally...a bill and a petition to get the US to withdraw from the UN...
    Away.

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    It is hard to have a solid opinion on this either way. I don't think it is totally good to be in the UN, but I don't think it will be totally good to withdraw from the UN. I still think cooperation with other countries is important, but with the controversy over the Iraq war and all I dunno what's going on.

    EDIT: and that's about as politically correct and as unbiased as I could possibly make that post.

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    Aye, but it's possible to cooperate with countries through alliances, trade agreements, etc, without being in the UN...and then we don't have to cooperate with the nations which don't play nicely with others.
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    Wow, "patriotpetitions.us", huh?

    You'll excuse me if I don't really take that page seriously.

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    4/24/03 - NEVAR FORGET.

    One second. I need to take my oversized flag down from my raised 4x4, then I'll sign the petition whilst whistling "I'm a yankee doodle dandy" and mulling over the lyrics to a Toby Keith song. Hoooooooiiiiieeeee!

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    I doubt that petition will be recognized.
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    Simply Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Actually, UN is clinically dead.
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    > but with the controversy over the Iraq war and all I dunno
    > what's going on.

    The UN is more than the security council. It also contains the organisations for children, third world development, refugees, human rights and other things. In my opinion those things are very important to do together in this world and the UN is a body for that.

    > but it's possible to cooperate with countries through alliances,
    > trade agreements, etc, without being in the UN

    Yes, that is possible. And a lot of things are done without the UN. In Europe think about the European Union and the Benelux for example. Also I think about organisations like Novib and such who do work for third world development.

    But I still think it is important that there is a global organisation.

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    Originally posted by Shiro
    The UN is more than the security council. It also contains the organisations for children, third world development, refugees, human rights and other things. In my opinion those things are very important to do together in this world and the UN is a body for that.
    ..........................................
    But I still think it is important that there is a global organisation.
    Frankly speaking, having veto power of 5 members is the most unacceptable undemocratic written clause of UN . This option made lots of discrimination, and were exploited in the past. Expect more democracy, think at least 2/3 or 4/5 of total members for security countil resolution. And make sure no one is visiting from country to country to get vote to attack any country. Anyway, I think that world will never be better in my life time.

    Shiro, whatever the Org is, picture will never change for ever. Better always keeping in mind "Might is Right". It was in stone age, will be there for ever.
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    > Frankly speaking, having veto power of 5 members is the most
    > unacceptable undemocratic written clause of UN .

    As I said, the security council, is just a part of the UN.

    > whatever the Org is, picture will never change for ever.

    What picture?

    In this time where many things are becoming global, it is important to have a global organisation. I think it is naive to think that currently countries can do all things themselves.

    I have lots of critics on the European Union, but I know that without the EU we wouldn't be as far as we are now. The EU is currently far from ideal, but gives instruments to work together.

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    Originally posted by Shiro
    In this time where many things are becoming global, it is important to have a global organisation. I think it is naive to think that currently countries can do all things themselves.

    I have lots of critics on the European Union, but I know that without the EU we wouldn't be as far as we are now. The EU is currently far from ideal, but gives instruments to work together.
    Whatever you say, may be this is for a period of time but "Might is Right" dominated and will dominate the creation. I'm 28, hopefully will be alife for another 28. Keep in touch, we will meet again on this issue.
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    Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.

    As someone already mentioned, the UN is about so much more than the Security Council. Nothing the UN does is a threat to our sovereignty. They obviously didn't stop us from unjustly blowing up whomever we please. The only reason people are now in such a huff over the UN is because they disagreed with us. The US is in such denial about the world. Guess what, everybody? There are only two countries in the world that have a majority approval rating of President Bush, the US and Israel. Guess what else? Other countries are allowed to have their opinons. Differences of opinion are allowed. Yeesh, I'm so sick and tired of people who claim to be all about rights and freedoms, but view anyone with different views to be a massive threat. People protesting the war are not un-patriotic. A bunch of countries opposing the war is not enough to completely withdraw from an organization that has helped us and the world so much. People are so short-sighted; people are so stupid.

    Oh, and zahid, the mightiest may rule and do whatever they please, but that does not by any means make it right. Get some morals, man. This isn't the stone age anymore.
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    Do tell...what HAS the UN done for us? The league of nations didn't work, and I don't know why the world thought that the UN would. Honestly, I've heard it described as "a debate club for rich people," and it's not far from the point. You probably assume that I'm against the UN because of the thing with the war, but I've been against the UN for as long as I've known about it, and I was also against the war...
    Away.

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    http://www.un.org/News/facts/confercs.htm
    http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/yir/english/page5.html
    http://www.clw.org/pub/clw/un/unsucess.html
    http://dodd.senate.gov/press/Speeches/104_95/0627.htm
    http://www.globaled.org/curriculum/UNB-Reading.html

    And that's just what a little googling can do. I especially liked that last one. It talks about how the UN has changed how nations think about people and the international community.

    Oh, and here's a big thing the UN has done for the world, the World Health Organization. Surely you can't tell me that the WHO isn't an accomplishment.
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