question to digipen folk and graduate courses

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    Originally posted by Silvercord
    Well if I do get in I know who I'll be paying to get my homework done (Poly need some dinero?)
    Only if I decide to come back next semester...

    Originally posted by Silvercord
    Digipen seems like a good school to go to because it seems more specialized than your run of the mill computer science program.
    You'd probably be correct if this were two or three years ago, but not now. Comair has made the first year courses retarded from what I've seen so far. While I'm sure that in many ways you may get a better programming education than many other colleges, it's still nothing like what it used to be.

    Originally posted by Silvercord
    I'm not bashing normal computer science, its still a fine major, but I honestly believe I could pass a lot of the Junior level computer science programming courses with my existing knowledge, or at least without going crazy (I know a lot of junior level computer science courses deal with some pretty complicated algorithms, but depends where you at ).
    That's probably true, and I feel the same way about my abilities. I entered with an abnormally high amount of experience in C++, but that didin't seem to affect anything. You're just forced to waste the first 2 years being stuff that you already understand and in greater detail than they go into. Unfortunately, no colleges that I've looked at seem to cater to incoming freshman that are experienced programmers, so if you know the languages and algorithms and can program well, you'll probably end up being bored like you would at any other school. This entire year has felt like a waste of time for me, and I think I would have learned more if I had not even gone to college at all. I'm posting at a bad time for me personally, so maybe I'm making it out to be worse than it is, but from what I've seen, there aren't any majors that give you the programming courses you should have. At first I thought it may just be here, but I've talked to several people from many different schools who have majored in CS, software engineering, and the like, and I've noticed that none of them could program very well at all. Not only do they have trouble with advanced concepts in programming, but I've found that they don't even know the entire language.

    #begingeneralrant

    A lot of people are hesitant to major in CS now-a-days (any CS, not digipen's RTIS) because it's becoming hard to find a job. The problem isn't that there are a lot of good programmers out there -- the problem is that most graduates simply aren't good programmers. I look at it similarly to how I look at people who major in something like music. Sure, you can go through college majoring in music, but does that make you a good composer? Not necessarily. The same thing goes for CS, only now, no one seems to understand that, yet they all want to be programmers.

    #endgeneralrant

    Originally posted by Silvercord
    This is going to seem like a weird question, but are there a lot of jerks there? I honestly want to go there to learn something, and I want to be comfortable doing it, I don't want to take crap from elitist jerks (i.e is Poly going to beat me up and take my lunch money when my ray tracing program doesn't work?)
    I don't know anyone here who is an elitist jerk. Most of the better programmers simply don't talk much because they're busy programming anyways It's the ones who think they know a lot that are actually the jerks, but that numer is still very low.

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    Be warned. If you know C++ well, you're going to want to kill yourself during the first two semesters. As I've said, Comair has introduced a "game maker" to the first semester, and the C++ class has become a joke (they still haven't even started on inheritance yet and theres just 2 weeks left in the semester, which is partially do to the fact that they have a C programmer teaching C++).

    As an experienced C++ programmer, the first two semesters of GAM are going to be hell. You'll be either making the entire game, having no time for anything else, or you'll have to program down to their level of experience (read 0 experience), and watch over everything they do becaues of bugs and design flaws. The school's got problems with their course setup -- the only programming class first semester is an introductory C class yet during that same semester you are required to make a game with a group of 5 other people. Imagine all the problems you had the first month or two of programming and then multiply that by 5 to get an idea of what you have to work with.

    Not only that, but half of those people don't even want to program. They come here with the illusion that they could come here and end up being game designers instead of programmers, so they will show no effort. Half of the remaining ones will be busy with other work, because they also are required to make another game using the "game maker" that comair has forced upon freshman students, not to mention the fact that there are 7 classes total during semester 1 alone!

    DigiPen is not good for incoming experienced programmers or people coming in with no experience. There is a very slim range in between that will find the DigiPen experience truely worthwhile. All through this year I've been dangling on a thread of hope that maybe it will get better, and I'm extremely tempted to just cut that thread loose.

    If there's one thing that's good about the school, it's the atmosphere and the attitude of a lot of the people here. It's still mostly geeks and they are mostly all very nice people, which is very rare to find for nearly an entire school. You also get to be taught by some people with experience in the game industry, which, IMO, is a huge plus.

    It's up to you, but be aware that it's not the perfect school that you may be hoping for.

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    Blunt, but everything he says is true...i dont think he'll quit because, well because thats just not poly. the "game maker" is truly awful, the first week i was here i was listening to comair say "never release buggy code" and this this is the most buggy useless software... the sad thing is, right now the curve is too low, but a few years ago it was too high, if you dont mind going through some horrible classes semester 1&2 it will get better....cuz hey graphics come into play at some point

    for me it's worth it, in and out in 2 years and hopefully i'll be better off than regular joe shmoe BS in CS.

    poly's had it rough though, the groups he's had to work with are dumb.....he spends all of his time coding...not for opulantproductions but for his games cuz his group sux0r
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    The biggest reason I want to go to Digipen is for the classes like Ray tracing and the one on surface modelling using calculus...you just dont' get things like that anywhere else, and I want to be surrounded with other dorks that are willing to put up with the work (I mean if you get as far as ray tracing you probably aren't going to drop out, right?)
    http://www.povray.org/ Here you go, an open source ray tracer. Now you don't even need college
    Away.

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    lmao blackrat, sweet!!! I'll put that link on my resume!

    That's probably true, and I feel the same way about my abilities
    STFU Poly..."Oh I was probably slightly advanced coming into digipen...I farted on my keyboard and the blast from my ass re wrote the doom III engine except this is better"...STFU!, you could probably find errors in Ph. D dissertations on this stuff man Poly as you already said I don't think things are going to really be better anywhere else. Even if you teach everything to yourself having the degree is a good thing if you want to get into the gaming industry. Despite everything bad that has been said it might be worth it to just suffer through the boring stuff (hey, it'll all be that much easier) so at the end you can moon people with your big fat RTIS degree and possibly get a masters in Math in case you want to become an architect like I might (references to poly's rear end so far: 2, disturbing: yes).

    About the whole jerk thing Poly, when I re read my post I kind of implied that you were a jerk, I didn't mean it (I didn't realize how it would come across at the time). I like the idea of being surrounded with other geeks, some of them actually good at programming. i hope to learn something new, either by spending my extra time programming or chatting with more knowledgable people (Mr. Wizard is someone I'd lke to meet, but he'd probably be graduated by then). The whole academic system seems to not place all that much emphasis on actually getting good at given skills.

    Ok i g2g now (freaking homework) I like chatting with you guys.

    EDIT: Poly I asked you a plane question check your PM please.
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    Originally posted by Silvercord
    About the whole jerk thing Poly, when I re read my post I kind of implied that you were a jerk, I didn't mean it (I didn't realize how it would come across at the time).
    Yeah, I noticed. I don't mind. I do get angry on the boards some times so I'm not surprised you might think that, though I should kick your ass for that remark.

    However, that is completely opposite my "real" personality (I'm sure munky will vouche for me on that, and maybe wizard, though I don't really know him). In fact, I literally don't talk in real life. I just sit around and program. I don't ever show anger. I never let anyone know if I'm mad. I never act serious, period. If I had the balls to do so, I would probably go up to Comair and tell him what I really think of him and the way RTIS is headed. Of course, if I did, he wouldn't really care anyways. After all, I'm just a student, right?

    They lie in their coursebook about the courses they teach and they make people pay money for what they did not want to learn. They have C programmers teach C++. They force you to work in unbalanced teams before most people even know how to program. The problem is that they simply don't know what they are doing and apparently don't even care that they're doing an awful job.

    A lot of people feel the same way as me, but no one is willing to stand up and revolt, so we are stuck with poorly thought-out semesters. It's a joke. Unfortunately for me, I'm sick of laughing. It's not funny anymore -- it's just sad. How anyone could allow it to get so bad is beyond me, but it doesn't show any signs of changing.

    References to silvercord's rear end: 1
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    Yeah, I noticed. I don't mind. I do get angry on the boards some times so I'm not surprised you might think that, though I should kick your ass for that remark.
    I agree. Do I keep my lunch money this time?

    Where would you plan on going if you left, and are you really going to leave? It still seems the later courses are cool. As we've said eight hundred million times we'd be bored in ANY first year comp sci program.

    As for your personality, you say you don't talk, does this mean that I would have to like slap you and throw stuff at you and yell to try to get a conversation out of you? I want to talk to the geeks at the geek school. Has DP told you about the video he's making?

    References to poly's ass: zero!

    EDIT: how old are you DP? How old are you POly?
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    how old are you DP? How old are you POly?
    I'm 37, DP is 44

    As for your personality, you say you don't talk, does this mean that I would have to like slap you and throw stuff at you and yell to try to get a conversation out of you?
    yes

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    >>I'm 37, DP is 44

    Then why, for the love of God, do you look 5?

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    Originally posted by Polymorphic OOP
    I'm 37, DP is 44


    yes



    Then why, for the love of God, do you look 5?
    omg he does haha

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    i'm 18. it is listed in my profile, you know

    i usually hear people saying i look 12, but 5 is a new one. you get a star!

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    oh yeah, profile, DERR I'm cool.

    Well in your little 50x50 avatar thingamabobhoohah you kinda do look five or 12 or something. I can see 44 if I stand on my head (or flip my monitor upside down).

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    >>I'm 37, DP is 44
    im 19, ya see, this is how things are around the house.....dP:hey did you do this today poly?......poly:huh?, no, well, i guess, minus the farting

    he's never serious

    but he's right about people not speaking up...a few people have but not enough to make people re-look over those things
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    you guys are doing a good job of making me not want to go at all...hmm... About the not being serious thing that is how my other programming friend is. I ask him if he did something and he asks me if I think he looks like Janet Jackson.

    On one hand I don't want the school I go to to be impossibly hard, so I'm somewhat glad that Digipen is turning into a not as difficult school, on the other hand I don't want to go to a school where I can just look at porn all day and maintain a 57GPA (on the 4.0 scale)

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    i dont know, for me, i know that to get my foot in the door in the industry its worth it for me to come here and get my degree....when i got here i didnt know practically any programming at all....but now im on the threashold of object oriented, and honestly, im satisfied....yeah, there are some quirky things here, but lets face it, youre chances increase of getting in the door in the games industry by comming here....if youre good, you might have to go thorugh some boredom...but whats stopping you from studying the stuff you dont, on your free time
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    Originally posted by Polymorphic OOP
    i'm 18. it is listed in my profile, you know

    i usually hear people saying i look 12, but 5 is a new one. you get a star!
    That makes more sense. I was wondering why I had always thought you were around 18.

    And you'd better not just being sarcastic about that gold star...I really want one

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