US attack in Iraq (WAR Talk)

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    Yeah.. you will find more than truth in real world.

    Ohh . . I guess you all forgot few words for the time being, such as Human Rights, International Law, Democracy, Right & Wrong. Papa don't preach me.

    Universal & alltime truth, or you can say rule of Nature: Might is right.
    I strongly believe in it. But cannot remember always.
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    um, im sorry, but i have no clue what this stammering incoherent post is supposed to mean?
    guns dont kill people, abortion clinics kill people.

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    wait a sec.. I have to find the meaning of stammering. omm..
    Ohhh please, you are such a innocent guy. It's really difficult to find the meaning, specially in such a bad time for morality.
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    actually i was being serious, i have no clue what your message was in the above post, i never claimed to be innocent. you wanted to enlighten everyone w/your opinion and quite frankly i didnt understand it, so becuase i want clerification you flame me?

    ::flame suit: on::
    lets rock
    guns dont kill people, abortion clinics kill people.

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    I never think of flaming others, I always expect opinion from others, it can differ with me or agree with me.

    Originally posted by dP munky
    youre other pro anti-american terrorism site is up and running swimmingly
    You called it this way. I learned lots of things about US policy which are conflicting from the opinion of knowledge source. I could not trust them, they were in a process.

    But I found this WAR more than terrorism. This is the first time in my life I'm experiencing.
    Occam's Razor approach: Consider the choices and select the one that is the simplest, because simple explanation is almost always the best.

    Now if one of us in any way says that this WAR is reasonable and this is not a wrong, than I have to learn more and learn about him & them.
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    i may call it that way? the name of the site is american state terrorism!!!
    you wanna do "objective" reading about a topic and you go to a ultra left wing web site w/secret conspiracy theory's and u.s. troops killing kids, but oh wait, they fail to mention that that kid that sgt. gi joe shot and killed had an ak-47 in his hand pointing it at him, youre telling me if youre life is threatened you wont react....i dont care if its an old man, or a 4 year old, if either of the 2 point an ak47 at me i wouldnt think twice about pulling the trigger
    guns dont kill people, abortion clinics kill people.

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    This is not a new approach for me. Here is again for your reference:

    Long time ago I heard two pairs of words: Religious-Hypocrite & Non Religions-Hypocrite.
    One thing I found in last 28 years is that truth is beyond the question of belief. Such as (examples are in a broad sense):
    Situation A. I'm standing right in front of you; you need not to believe it, do you? You are seeing me, this is true.
    Situation B. I'm standing behind the wall, you are not sure.. You are confused.. But you have some sort of evidence ... now you may or may not believe.

    So.. where there is a chance of not being true.. you have a choice to (will) believe. I smelt the word believe as dark, suspicion, confusion, lie.. Truth is even much brighter than sunshine.

    If you think this WAR is justified. May be you are out of your mind, there are lots of reason to be.

    Remark the use of "may", this is my daily life way of approach.
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    >>So.. where there is a chance of not being true.. you have a choice to (will) believe.

    so by this rational you simply choose NOT to believe what may or may not be true??? for me i didnt make a decision about this war until reports start comming in about finding chemical suits and injectors. this is like you say standing behind a wall, youre behind the wall, im not sure if youre there, but another person can see you behind that wall and tells me he thinks that he can see you should i disregard him until i can see for myself?
    guns dont kill people, abortion clinics kill people.

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    Originally posted by dP munky

    for me i didnt make a decision about this war until reports start comming in about finding chemical suits and injectors. this is like you say standing behind a wall, youre behind the wall, im not sure if youre there
    So.. what you do think ? You are the GOD?
    You know everything?
    You don't have to care others, if you are right or wrong?
    You need not to justify?
    You can do what ever you like?
    What you say is true?
    You can kill people, not only 1, 2, 3, also hundreds, thousands, millions?
    You can occupy my country?
    You know what is good/bad for me/my country/my family?
    You will tell me what to do for me?
    You are the authority to give the definition of freedom?
    Did I ask you to free my country?
    You have the right to have nuke because you need to kill people because you are GOD?
    You will free my country and govern and play & drink my resources, if necessary will kill me again and I will smile at you because you are GOD?


    but another person can see you behind that wall and tells me he thinks that he can see you should i disregard him until i can see for myself?
    Should you agree with him until you see me yourself?

    I guess you already know, I still don't believe the existence of GOD.
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    WOW, way to take everything i said way out of context and turn it into something it's not

    ..im done arguing w/you, i dont think you funamentaly know what im saying, nor what you are saying so just take it somewhere else

    ::exits the fighting arena::
    guns dont kill people, abortion clinics kill people.

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    Originally posted by dP munky
    WOW, way to take everything i said way out of context and turn it into something it's not

    ..im done arguing w/you, i dont think you funamentaly know what im saying, nor what you are saying so just take it somewhere else

    ::exits the fighting arena::
    I have given hints, just did not put my finger on the object.

    Not only me, you also know what I'm talking about. If you really don't know, I wish once you will know. Actually I had to know, how old you are.

    If you are 25+, I'm eager to know. How many people of you, you are representing here to place your opinion? The outer world is all talking about US gov , should it be gov or reality is that this is the people of USA doing?


    "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"
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    If Only COMMON SENSE prevails.the world would be a better
    place to live.

    The problem in this world is not mainly with the dictators
    who rule over it. but with the naive uninformed masses
    who obey them.


    zahid:
    "So.. what you do think ? You are the GOD?
    You know everything?
    You don't have to care others, if you are right or wrong?
    You need not to justify?
    You can do what ever you like?
    What you say is true?
    You can kill people, not only 1, 2, 3, also hundreds, thousands, millions?

    You know what is good/bad for me/my country/my family?
    You will tell me what to do for me?
    You are the authority to give the definition of freedom?"
    Thank you for asking saddam hussein these questions.
    I hope saddam will write back to you in detail.With an appology.


    Dear Mr zahid:

    here is COMMON SENSE 101.
    Look at this phrase:

    "COMMON SENSE"

    Now take the word "SENSE" out.
    Add the word "NONSENSE"

    Here we have it.

    "COMMON NONSENSE"

    zahid:

    "One thing I found in last 28 years is that truth is beyond the question of belief. Such as (examples are in a broad sense): "

    Many ppl around the globe cant handle the truth. because
    they have no COMMON SENSE.

    Here is the truth:

    If you live in a country , that has a dictator who kills&maims
    &totures&rapes its citizen, and when he is bored attacks
    its neighboring countries to do the same. Its not an internal
    tribal problem anymore. Here if you dont want world to
    come to your door and kick the bast out, you should rise
    up yourself and fix the problem.

    from north africa to the middle east there are approx 200
    million arabs and in 22 arab countries.Every single one of
    them is ruled by an dictator.

    Show me in the last 100 years one single uprising in any
    arab nation against a dictator. your guess is right . none.

    The problem is that every one wants to view this war from
    the tribal point of view.
    I look at it as an intl point of view. the world cant wait for
    saddam to die of natural causes. it has to act in the face
    of inaction.

    I am iranian(persian) by birth.i dont hate arabs.i dont hate
    americans. I was 13 and participated in iranian revolution
    of 1979. i lost many friends and class mates during that time
    and later in saddam war on iran.Today millions of my young
    countrymen(college students, journalists,average teenagers)
    are waging a daily successful battle with the fanatical
    regime in iran. some battles they lose and some they win.

    But win or lose they are doing some thing about it.

    In middle east, there is no movement by arabs against the regimes where it counts.

    ppl in iraq will be hurt by this war . i agree. and it bothers me.

    But What anti war ppl are saying in effect is:


    "since saddam has no WMD and no CW , and has not recently
    killed&gassed its neighbours; then he should be left alone
    to have the right to do his killings within iraq.untill he dies
    of old age. so his sycho sons will start where he left off"

    I dont buy all of reasoning by american side neither.
    when they say iraq is a direct threat to america.i say bowl!.

    when they say invading iraq will free the ppl from tyrany.
    i say yes(never mind the orig intentions)

    I look at it as a citizen of the world.
    If the world wants to be politicaly correct .let it be.
    but why dictators should feel secure from the wrath of their
    victims.?

    In bangeladesh you fought the tyrany of pakistan with the
    direct military help by india . how is it any different this
    time with iraq?
    zahid, i am sure you agree with the statment "dignity for all".
    As one persian poet (150AD) says;

    humans are all branches of a tree,
    lets keep all of them free!.


    cheers!

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    i'll reply even though its really late,

    >I read your artical from the NSA web site. Not exactly an impartial site, being run by the US military (.navy.mil/).

    yet it covers the subject quite well.

    >Correct me if I am wrong but the last instance of the Hague Act is the IJC which not only did the US refuse to sign, but activly campaigned against it . When it was passed and 78 countries signed the US enacted what has been called the 'Hague Invasion Act' and coerced 80 countries into signing a disclaimer that they would never prosecute US servicemen using the new international laws.
    <

    your not gonna like my answer but i say, good. You have no clue how much $$$$ they would get if they had done otherwise, let me put it this way, it would never have worked out.

    >
    Can you explain the difference in treatment of Afghanii Taliban fighters who are suspected Al Queda members and Cuban terrorists?
    <

    the circumstances, think about it.

    >
    But if I hijack a plane an make it fly to the US I get BAIL!!?? (I am refering to the two very recent hijackings) Seems a uneven application of the law on terrorists.
    <

    and now think about the difference in the actions, 9-11, and hijaking a plane and not kiling anyone, just to get to the U.S.
    plus i'm betting they have a lot of sympathy around there.

    though my arguments ARE mostly speculative since im not up to date on the subject, so i can't offer more than that.
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    I will answer you .. need little more time to pass, we want to see the progress .... .... ... . little more time to clear the cloud, let us see the reason of this attack.
    If still anyone says that is war is for the freedom of Iraqies, this is like a joke. Once there will be no one to tell this joke and no one to hear.

    One thing, you better get a hint and that is I'm not a believer. Naturally I don't believe easily. Most of the time I start to believe from scratch, I mean the trust level of zero.

    May be you are already thinking about my title.

    Actually we don't have enough time to hunt for all truth, rarely we pick few of them. I felt little interest to find the reason of this war or you can say the policy in ME. This is the zero+ state ...

    Primarily I can guess if you are an Iranian, again if you are, You have the bitter experience with Iraq.

    Originally posted by SAMSAM
    If Only COMMON SENSE prevails.the world would be a better place to live.

    zahid:
    Thank you for asking .................
    ...................
    Many ppl around the globe cant handle the truth. because they have no COMMON SENSE.

    ppl in iraq will be hurt by this war . i agree. and it bothers me.

    I dont buy all of reasoning by american side neither. when they say iraq is a direct threat to america.i say bowl!.

    when they say invading iraq will free the ppl from tyrany. i say yes(never mind the orig intentions)
    .................................................. ...

    In bangeladesh you fought the tyrany of pakistan ....................................
    zahid, i am sure you agree with the statment "dignity for all".
    This link will give you a simple idea on the history of Independence of my country.

    I appreciate your knowledge that you have learned recently, that was March 25, 1971 beginning of the killing. March 26 declared independence, mark it's "Independence" from Pakistan. You know the real beginning of this ? That was 21st February 1952. This is our National Shahid Day(21st February). Now International Mother Language Day declared by UN.
    ..............................................
    ..............................................
    Duration of nine months war, approximately 3,000,000 (Three millions) of civilians died in that bloody fighting that followed, and millions of refugees poured into India. During the early months of the civil war, East Pakistani guerrillas also crossed into India. Army officers of East Pakistan Regiment let them trained in and out of border. They fought and were devided into 11 sections in 11 areas. The government forces shelled Indian territory and followed the guerrillas across the border. Indian troops fourth border clashes with the Pakistani government soldiers. In December 1971, few thousands Indian army advanced into East Pakistan and joined the guerrillas. The combined forces of the Guerrillas and Indians overpowered West Pakistan, which surrendered on the 16th December, 1971.
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    > If still anyone says that is war is for the freedom of Iraqies

    In the weekend I saw a TV program on the history of Iraq back in 1921. Then the English came there and said to the people of Iraq, which was not Iraq in those days: we are here to free you, not to take your country. The English defeated the Ottomans and installed an English government in Iraq. The Iraqi people first were happy with them, but then the thought came that the English were not there to free them, they were just another party taking their country.

    These days the Americans and their coalition is telling the people of Iraq that they are there to free them, not to take their country. The Americans also want to install an American government for undefined time, as far as I know, to replace the regime of Saddam Hoessein. I wonder how the Iraqi's will react on that. Probably the first days or weeks they will be happy that Saddam Hussein is gone and they get food, medicines and other support. But after some time the same situation might happen as in 1921.

    Some more info:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2719939.stm

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