I think that after a while you just get tired of his little games. I mean it's not like this is the first time, we have this type of problem with the guy.
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I think that after a while you just get tired of his little games. I mean it's not like this is the first time, we have this type of problem with the guy.
> I think that after a while you just get tired of his little games. I mean it's not like this is the first time, we have this type of problem with the guy
thats very true, but besides the point. It will be much to our advantage to have the backing of the UN before any action in Iraq, if only to give legitimacy to the war and to any government that will replace him. If we dont have UN approval, it will just seem like more American arrogance and forcefulness at work. There is no reason not to wait for UN approval, it will happen eventually.
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Originally posted by *ClownPimp*
> I think that after a while you just get tired of his little games. I mean it's not like this is the first time, we have this type of problem with the guy
thats very true, but besides the point. It will be much to our advantage to have the backing of the UN before any action in Iraq, if only to give legitimacy to the war and to any government that will replace him. If we dont have UN approval, it will just seem like more American arrogance and forcefulness at work. There is no reason not to wait for UN approval, it will happen eventually.
Very true............but how long will we have to wait for UN approval?
It is true that some countries' governments support President Bush's war plan, but popular support in these countries is weak. British prime minister Tony Blair wanted to propose a resolution giving Saddam more time to comply because of popular opinion in Britain having turned strongly against him. Members of the opposition party in Parliament were more supportive than many members of Prime Minister Blair's own Labour Party.
Saddam Hussein losing power would be a good thing--if done right. The United States' real or perceived imperialism fuels the rhetoric of anti-American terrorist groups, and a war with Iraq will only add substance to their words. It is true that everyone in the world should have personal freedom, the basic human rights, a government that serves the people not itself, and so on, but attempting to create that change under gunpoint will only deter that cause at this time.
The United Nations Security Council will probably not approve a resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq now unless Saddam Hussein starts another war or acts out his terrorist fantasies outside his country. France, where popular opinion is strongly anti-Bush and anti-war, will veto any war resolutions.
Well I understand what you mean but it's so frustrating.......didn't he promise to get rid of his nukes and biological weapons before? Yet he lied about destroying all of them......It almost makes wanna say "forget it" and let him build a powerful arsenal again, so when he decides to Nuke someone or test some of his chemical weapons on his people again ( I heard this happened before) then people will see what he's all about. Yet it might be somewhat late to try to sanction the guy then. I think if this happens and the UN should THEN decide to take actions against him the US should say "I told you so, now don't .......... with me asking me to help you fight him, go way". What makes you think he's not gonna lie again?
howdy,
France has significant financial interests in Iraq, mainly nuclear reactor(s), these facilities will be the first to be destroyed or ocupied by US troops.
Germany is very deeply embeded in the Iraqi oil industry, again these facilities will be destroyed but probably by the Iraqi's themselves.
i must confess i dont have any idea what Russia' come from is but of all of the Security Council oposition Russia "may" really be taking the position of "peace on earth..."
after the ocupation of Iraq many many deep dark secrets will be exposed, some of which France and Germany would rather not be seen by public eyes. that is why they are so much against any action.
M.R
PPL ask why do we have to rush to war? Here are the reasons the war clock ticks.
1. POLOTICS:
---How long do u think the wussy UN will have the ballz to maintain sanctions and inspections?
---How long do u think it will be politically feasable for the Mideast countries like suadi arabia to allow an INVASION FORCE to stay on it's soil for an indefinite period of time?
2. COST:
---The US & UK spend BILLIONS to maintain the forces and bases within that region to CONTAIN saddam. It is the US & UK who risk the lives of their men & women to confront this madman who despite all of this detturence factors still maintains his programs of WMD. - The FRENCH and GERMANS and the rest of europe have NO say in this b/c they haven't spent a red cent or risked a single man to contain saddam and bear the cost in any way - thusly they should SHUT THE F** UP.
---Terrorism is also a cost that the US bears in this, it is our forces in the region and the perception that it is ONLY the US that maintains the sanctions that cuase the resentment and inspires terrorism against america and americans-- The FRENCH and GERMANs know this but they don't care, thus proving that they don't give an SH** about america, americans, or terrorism against us.
3. WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION (WMD):
---Saddam is replenishing his military to pre-GULF WAR levels thusly growing into a military threat to the US & UK and still not complying with resolutions of the UN.
---Saddam is continuing his WMD research in the face of the US and UN and creating ways to deliver those weapons - u want proof - what the HELL are those MISSLES that were just discovered, the one's that saddam is pretending to destroy(al-samuudII), what the hell are they for?? I didn't know saddam had a space program?? The only reason for those missiles is to carry a payload of something more than 1,000lb of TNT like the old scuds... it is something far more sinister.
---PPL say why don't we just wait for him to use them and then we can go after him. Do you want to be the one on the other end of those missiles?? The europeans don't feel the threat b/c it is the US, ISRAEL, or one of our allies in the region who will take the brunt of it - these europeans are too sheltered and narrow minded to think about anyone but themselves.
The UN has always been reluctant to take ANY action, in fact in the first gulf war they hemmed and hawed to give saddam every chance and still it was not unanimous. It was only after saddam set the oil fields on fire did the UN act to -- BLESS -- a war - it never allowed it but only agreed that action should be taken - and how lucky they were that the US was there to lead the coalition - not a UN coalition - but a coalition of the willing just as it will go down again in gulf war 2.
For all of those who believe this will cuase the US more terrorism, ask yourself this, aren't we already at war with terrorists? What do u think will cause more terrorism against the US, housing an INVASION FORCE in hostile countries for an indefinite period like the FRENCH and GERMANs want or removing saddam and bringing freedom, democracy, and prosperity to iraq and allow our troops to be pulled out within a few years and gain a friend in the region?
Thats a tough question, because either way we were screwed.
My only complaint with Bush is that he has danced around this Iraq crap and made too many jokes about it. If there was a time for action, it was the afternoon of Sep 11th when we had him.
i think the only problem bush is having right now w/this war is that he already used his "free war card" that he got on sept. 11, on afganistan
Please learn how to spell and come back when you're ready to actually add something to the grown-up conversations, m'kay?Quote:
Originally posted by LouDu
If i was President Bush's secratery i would do as fallows...
1. Change His current war plans and plans to propose to the UN to Blow up Iraq and put a missle thru osma bin ladne and saddam husanes head.
2. Vote for bush till he dies, even if he isnt on the ballow, that will make florida recount more :)
Easy govt, dont you member when you were little, sitting at the kiddie table? He's just anxious to talk with the grown ups :DQuote:
Originally posted by Govtcheez
Please learn how to spell and come back when you're ready to actually add something to the grown-up conversations, m'kay?
howdy,
OSR please don't forget the Aussie navy, they are helping with the blockade of the Iraqi ports.
besides that, BRAVO OSR i couldn't have said it better myself.
M.R.
M.R.
Holy hell - I never thought I'd see the day someone agreed with OSR... Guess the airborne pork and temperature drops around Redmond should start soon.Quote:
Originally posted by itld
howdy,
OSR please don't forget the Aussie navy, they are helping with the blockade of the Iraqi ports.
besides that, BRAVO OSR i couldn't have said it better myself.
::imitates homer's voice::
mmmmm.....porrrrrrk....
howdy,
and it HAD to be me.Quote:
I never thought I'd see the day someone agreed with OSR
M.R.