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Would you vote for Bush again?

This is a discussion on Would you vote for Bush again? within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally posted by minesweeper >>Please I don't want this to turn into a flame war<< What are the odds? Anyway, ...

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    Originally posted by minesweeper
    >>Please I don't want this to turn into a flame war<<

    What are the odds?

    Anyway, are we non-americans allowed to vote based on the (probably limited and maybe biased) information we were able to obtain at the time of the elections?

    Yeah I just want the people's opinion........


    >>>>You've got just as much info as the rest of us do, then. I'd say vote away, but it's chulo's thread. It's not like he can really stop you.


    This is also true
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    I am not neither a Democrat nor Republican, I just believe in "voting for the right guy at the right time" if you can say that. Example when Bush won I was so furious, I wanted Gore to win so bad back then I was yet of legal voting age. After a while I kind of started liking Bush as a President and it came to a point where I believed that if elections were to be held at that point in time I would vote for Bush instead of Gore. I feel that Bush handled the 911 crisis well. I have just started to have my doubts about him and all this war effort all of the sudden. You hear people saying so much that "it's a petroleum war", that it just sort of makes you think.
    There are some real morons in this world please do not become one of them, do not become a victim of moronitis. PROGRAMMING IS THE FUTURE...THE FUTURE IS NOW!!!!!!!!!

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    do we have a lot of lefties on this board? hmm.. you tell me.

    I voted for him once, and i probably will again.

    >people saying so much that "it's a petroleum war", that it just sort of makes you think.

    its all propaganda, DONT BUY INTO IT, i will ask you two(now three) questions to settle your mind, and i'll give you some of the answers(there are many more) as well... if you don't believe me look it up.

    1. Why didn't we keep the oil in the first gulf war?

    A: you figure it out, i like to let the "America wants Iraq's oil" spouters choke on this one them selves.

    2. What is France's main interest in no war?

    A: OIL!! how ironic...
    A: there economy is got take a beating.
    A: they have been helping Iraq, and want to keep it quiet.

    3. here's another actually, whats russias interest?

    A: 8 billion+ in money owed by iraq.
    A: they also have been aiding Iraq, and want it kept quiet.

    and lastly read my sig.

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    >>"dont start a flame war"
    this is a debate , a group of intelligent individuals discussing current events nothing more
    ...when it gets outta hand THATs the flame war ex.) youre dumb because youre a big fat poopie head...

    >>A: 8 billion+ in money owed by iraq.
    >>A: they also have been aiding Iraq, and want it kept quiet.
    dont forget, we helped iraq too, some of the chemical weapons they have are curtosy of the good ol' usa (during the iran iraq conflict in the 80's)

    >>"...defeated Communism and fascism..."
    not on the home front we havent, fascism at least, just look at the neo nazi terrorist organizations in this country that are protected by "free speech"
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    >A: you figure it out, i like to let the "America wants Iraq's oil" spouters choke on this one them selves

    [edit] just letting you know I dont fully believe this war is about oil, im just responding for the sake of argument. Although i do believe there is some ulterior motive that we dont know about... [/edit]

    Ill give it a shot. Bush Sr. was in office (I think), maybe he didnt believe oil was worth war. Remember, we didnt go into Iraq looking for war then, we were protecting Kuwait.

    Perhaps Bush Sr. wasnt as closely tied to oil as GW is.

    Times are different now. We see that our dependence on foreign sources of oil is a serious threat to our well-being and this is an attempt to reduce our dependence.

    >I prayed to the Lord when Gore conceded... I can't imagine any new thought coming from him

    LOL. and you can imaging one coming from Bush? Perhaps you dont know Gore very well, he is a very intelligent man. Bush on the other hand...
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    >>>>.....he is a very intelligent man. Bush on the other hand...


    Yeah he invented the internet j/k !!!! Sorry I couldn't let it go by hehehehe

    You're right though, he is very intelligent. (seriously). I initally wanted him to win the elections.
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    no-one could you post some links / info on France and Russian aid to Iraq that "they have been helping Iraq, and want to keep it quiet."

    "it's a petroleum war"
    More a currency war ie US$ v Euro

    >>1. Why didn't we keep the oil in the first gulf war?

    You do buy most of the amount that Iraq can sell under the UN sanctions. Iraq is the US's 6th biggest supplier or the same amount as could be drilled from the pristine wilderness in Alaska (but only for 40 years).


    Main destinations Iraq of exports 2000(d) % of total
    US 46.2 (or over 775,000 barrels a day)
    Italy 12.2
    France 9.6
    Spain 8.6

    Main origins of Iraq imports 2000(d) % of total
    France 22.5
    Australia 22 (wheat for oil)
    China 5.8
    Russia 5.8
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    howdy,
    yes i would.
    it's nice to have someone with some balls in the White House.

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    Blah Blah Blah, I see some fools are trying to turn this into a flame war. (novacain)

    But to get to the point, that I never voted at all and wouldn't have voted for BUSH if I did... but I think he's a good prez now but he's slow and lacks foresight in the domestic front - I LUV his foreign policy tho and am a big fan of it.

    I would not vote for him again and I don't think it's right to ask this question over the pre-text of war - as I believe we would be confronting saddam now or in a year or 2 even if we had a Democrat as prez - as this issue must be resolved. Former Prez Clinton supports the pressure on saddam and agrees that it's time to confront him, but he regrets that we aren't able to get a coalition together. As u see it doesn't matter the party whose in power, this war is and has been in the cards for a long time.

    I would vote for someone who has a better grasp of domestic policy, who knows about finance and economics, who will begin pushing and funding alternative energy fuelz, and who will KEEP kicking ass at foreign diplomacy just like BUSH.

    I generally see myself as independent and not of either party but I see the most promise in a Democrat called "Gen. Wesley Clark" he's a former NATO general and commander in the KOSOVO war. And guess what all u pansiez - he'd be kicking saddam's ass just the same.
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    I did respond, but im gonna let these words stand as the final ones.

    my final words on this... on all of this... because im tired of the lies and and the bull$$$$, so tired i don't care anymore. Be stupid, don't think for yourselves, buy into what ever they tell you, and believe it with all your heart cause thats all you've got left.

    secondly, i will end saying this,

    We'll see what happens, read my sig again, and think about it. its the honest truth, nothing more nothing less, what has changed, nothing, but your desire to see us(the U.S.) fail,for us(the U.S.) to be wrong to be evil to be what you want it to be so badly you can taste it, so you don't like us, so you'd love to see saddam wipe the desert clean with all our troops to smite us and run us into the ground, fine, you keep that attitude, cause someday maybe the next time we won't help, maybe next time we won't come to your aid when you need it, maybe next time we won't be there to take out the next world threat that comes along, then we'll see who the real evil was and is, then we'll see what all these "theories and ideals" come to.

    Till then shut-up you have no idea what damage your doing with your flat out wrong ideals and your wild conspiracy theory's, propaganda, and flat out lies. It maybe be to late, but when you see the damage you've done the damage your still doing, when its full weight is on you, you'll beg for someone like Bush who has the backbone and the will, the flat out gumption to act.

    do yourself, and all the world a favor, and just shut-up.

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    I don't think I would vote for him If I even did vote. I'm not a very political person, hell I don't even watch the news. However the simple fact that the US is near the point of war is not something that I find appealing. Wether war can be prevented or not I can't say because I don't know all the facts. I do hold the president responsible for this "fear" that he is creating in the American People and of course if a war started, it would be his fault.

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    >>buy into what ever they tell you, and believe it with all your heart cause thats all you've got left.

    (this isnt a flame war)there are more than 1 ways to sort a problem out. i agree w/you there are a lot of "bush is out for oil" crapola out there, but you just have to realize that theyre misinformed...or have a different solution to the problem
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    >as I believe we would be confronting saddam now or in a year or 2 even if we had a Democrat as prez

    I am starting to believe that this would be the case. I am all for ridding the world of someone like Saddam. But I dont believe that this is the only reason Bush wants war with Saddam. If it were, he would be much more patient with UN and all the nations that oppose war. Saddam is not an immediate threat to the US (if im wrong, tell me how), so I dont see the problem in making sure there is international consensus before going to war. Going it alone just means we have to bear the full cost of war (as if it would be different any other way) and it makes the US look bad.
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    If this war is not primarily about oil (oil is certainly a consideration as is almost any policy dealing with the Middle East--this goes for the United States, Russia, France, and any other country), President Bush has not been very clear on what exactly it is about other than a vague reference to a possible future threat and presumed connection with today's terrorist organizations, so I think it can only be expected that followers of the far left and anti-Americans worldwide would come to their own conclusions.

    To many President Bush looks hypocritical for talking about a war to liberate the Iraqi peoples (Europe drew the map of the Middle East after World War I so it should not be expected to be a good fit) and alleviate the threat of possible weapons of mass destruction (I hate that long phrase) when the president continues to work with other dictators and governments that do not acknowledge most of the human rights and liberties of their citizens.

    Furthermore, the president has continued to ignore the much more immediate threat of North Korea. North Korea, from external observation, had finally begun getting along with its neighbors when President Bush infuriated the unpredictable leadership there with his infamous Axis of Evil speech. North Korea is known to posess nuclear capibility and has one of the larging standing armies in the world. The greater threat to the common good of the world, including the United States, is North Korea; and I am afraid that progress with North Korea will not be possible during the rest of Bush's presidency.

    Going back to Iraq, a war against Saddam Hussein's government will not achieve President Bush's only stated objective: to prevent further terrorism against the United States. In all likelihood, this war will feed a resurgence of violence and hatred against Americans and the United States in the Islamic community.

    It is not that I want to see my country be destroyed--not at all--it's just that President Bush's lack of tact since day one has alienated allies and ruined any chance for a peaceful solution to the Iraq problem. The conservatives here may find my opinion repulsive, but I think it is the unwavering supporters of President Bush who need to decide whether they have been blindly following propaganda or not.

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