Well at least they haven't arrested anyone for wearing peace tshirts. Wait a second

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    Re: oops...

    Originally posted by -=SoKrA=-
    It looked like it was an international law but I've just noticed it's just for the UK. Sorry for the confusion.
    Well, even if it's not. It should be illegal. I'd imagine that most goverments have laws that go along the same lines.

    At least the Finsbury Park guy is under this law, but I guess they'll try to shut him up with whatever they can. Not sure exactly what it was but apparently it was big.
    You mean what did he do? Well, he preached stuff like its ok to kill non muslims, UK/US are scum who deserve to die, Saddam is a cool guy etc etc.

    The best bit is he was scrounging (illegally AND legally) STATE benefits from the UK, living for free yet still saying kill us all (Brits).

    What the hell is the world coming to? Give that kind of scum my taxes? Yeh right.
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    So what if this man was arrested for expressing his political views in public? We're at war here, and questionning the president is not helping our nation's efforts to monopolize the United Nations Security Council. Have you ever heard of the rule of law? It's when someone who isn't afraid to stand up to the liberal media and popular opinion comes in and shines the light of justice into every filthy crack around the globe. National boundaries are for the timid.

    In this era of the terrorist around every corner, the personal liberties, those burdens we once dealt with, have been lifted by the world emancipator President George W. Bush. He is working so that we will be free to work, worship God, consume, and fuel the economy that supports our betters' luxurious lifestyle in security.

    This is a democracy! If you don't like what U.S. government is doing for you, your nation, and the rest of the world, there is a prison down in Guantanamo Bay designed just for such treacherous idea-terrorists like you.
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    Come on OSR, you don't have to use sarcasm tags!

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    >>If you would have read the article, it would have - the mall's private property. They have the right to throw out people. If someone came into my house with a shirt that said "Turn Iraq into a parking lot", I would have thrown them out. It's the same thing

    so then what the hell is everyone complaining about, if you throw someone out of your house because theyre wearing a tshirt you dont like than why cant the mall do the same?
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    The point is the REASON they were thrown out, that being they were advocating peace (on their t-shirts). The malls ability/right to throw them out is irrelevant to the issue. They were not causing trouble or costing the mall custom. They were just wearing a t-shirt.

    Could the mall say you can't come in if you have blue eyes ect? Or would they get hit with a racial discrimination suit?

    Could McD's kick you out for wearing a 'vegetarian' t-shirt?

    As the mall SOLD them the shirts, some of the tenants obviously though the shirt was OK.

    Does the mall have a dress code posted?

    Would they have been thrown out if they had been pro war t-shirts?

    Why has being pro-peace become a trigger for discrimination?
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    Zewu:

    Here is the original article. I'll try to find the follow up where they arrest the guy, odd, I searched DR, (Danmarks Radio), and couldn't find it. If you have the newspaper "Politiken" it was on yesterdays front page.

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    European Union stance on discrimination...

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    In 1986, the European Parliament, the Council, the Commission and the Member States' representatives in the Council signed a Declaration against Racism and Xenophobia. In this declaration, the European institutions "vigorously condemn all forms of intolerance, hostility and use of force against persons or groups of persons on the grounds of racial, religious, cultural, social or national differences".
    <<<

    ... a summary of a much larger document of course, nothing the EU issues is less than five truckloads of paper! Hell I know, I've had to read great chunks of it!
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    >>They were not causing trouble or costing the mall custom. They were just wearing a t-shirt.

    im not disagreeing w/you there, not at all, i just find it very odd that all of the sudden the gistapo come up to these "pro peace" guys and throw em out! its like an oxymoron or something...

    here wear this really cool tshirt
    wow! ok cool
    you cant wear that thing in here GET OUT

    am i the only one confused by this?
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    >>here wear this really cool tshirt
    wow! ok cool
    you cant wear that thing in here GET OUT

    am i the only one confused by this?<<

    No, I though that was odd as well. If they are that hung up about it, why not ban the shop from selling it?

    Who knows what goes on in the minds of some people.

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    > Could the mall say you can't come in if you have blue eyes ect? Or would they get hit with a racial discrimination suit?

    It was a t-shirt - it wasn't his skin. That example's irrelevant.

    > Could McD's kick you out for wearing a 'vegetarian' t-shirt?

    Yes, if they thought you were disturbing their customers.

    > Would they have been thrown out if they had been pro war t-shirts?

    Probably not. Unless he was doing something to disturb the other shoppers.

    I'm not saying I agree with what the mall owner did, but it was within his rights. That's all.

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    Was the mall owner not discriminating against people because of their beliefs? Do you not have anti-discrimination laws in the US?
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    How was he discriminating? If, in his opinion (or in this case, the opinion of the security guard, who is paid to represent the owners interests, I suppose) the man was causing a disturbance, he was 100% in his right to have him removed from the premesis. They were asked to leave private property, and they refused. That's trespassing, and that's illegal.

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    i just hope that someone brings this up next time that our politicians in washington are trying to limit violence in video games and the media, when they are arresting someone wearing a peace t-shirt. maybe we have our priorities confused. what is the world coming too???
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    For the last time - he wasn't arrested for wearing a peace t-shirt - he was arrested for trespassing.

    Try this:
    Go to your local mall, strip naked, and start running around. You'll get arrested. Were you arrested for jogging? No, you were arrested for indecent exposure, which is a crime, the same as trespassing.

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    Trespassing was the charge, the t-shirt was the reason. Blacks in Jim Crow South weren't prevented from voting because they were black. They couldn't pay the poll tax. He wasn't disturbing anyone, he was shopping. Like Jon Stewart said on the Daily Show, they don't have a problem wearing a shirt that says "Mustache rides- 5 cents".
    Anyway, there's nothing illegal in the US against discriminating against someone based on their beliefs (except religious beliefs) and maybe a few other narrow exceptions (i.e., civil service jobs and political beliefs). There's at least one member of this board who I'd discriminate against every chance I got based on his loudmouth moronic beliefs.

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