"iraq war- the unspoken truth"

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    "iraq war- the unspoken truth"

    a friend emailed me this link a few minutes ago, take a look. I know some of u will be surprised when u see it, get mad, swear a few times.......but this may BE the ultimate truth.
    i wouldn;t be surprised
    oh i'm sorry! i didn;t realize my fist was rushing to meet ur face!

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    umm...i've been saying this for a long time, in fact, so has like everyone i know man.

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    Its bull$$$$, that is far from the reason, you people seem to skip anything remotely truthful.

    thats my two cents. No flamewar please.
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    what the hell can we do about it
    we're all gunna die and thats all that matters

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    >>you people seem to skip anything remotely truthful

    i agree, where were all these peoples "secret conspiracy theories" when we were bombing kosovo? i mean people are all anti war for a guy who is a threat to us, yet were all for bombing an indiginous people in kosovo. i dont get it?
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    >i agree, where were all these peoples "secret conspiracy theories" when we were bombing kosovo?

    There were no secret conspiracy theories because the reasons for war were well known. The president was forcing everyone from a certain ethnic group to leave kosovo. If allowed to occur, it would cause a destabilizing of europe, which would negatively hurt the US economically [I heard that explanation from a mainstream news media, probably CNN]

    >i mean people are all anti war for a guy who is a threat to us,

    Iraq isnt an immediate threat to us.

    >Its bull$$$$, that is far from the reason

    And what is the reason? And please spare me the stuff about how saddam is evil and he gases his own ppl and so on.... there are many equal or worse than him.

    You seem to be writing off the explanation given without even considering it. The explanation given on that site is actually the best explanation I have heard so far as to why Bush is so eager for war. Do I believe it whole-heartedly? No. But all of the facts given are easily verifyable. Its only the conclusions that I have trouble totally believing -- although they are entirely possible.

    The fact is, it has been threats to US economy that has mobilized our forces in the past, and it takes little imagination to see it as the driving force behind this war.
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    >>The president was forcing everyone from a certain ethnic group to leave kosovo.

    so i guess saying " all you people get the hell out is bad" but gasing people is ok...alright, makes sense

    >>Iraq isnt an immediate threat to us.

    how are they not, they have been crossing every single line drawn in the sand by the UN, NOT just the US. how can you say, ok mr. you cant do this, or have these weapons, again, and again, and again, 17 times??? so i guess we should just pass another resolution that will get broken AGAIN.

    another thing, how can people say this is about oil, while in the state of the union address to the nation bush brings up a hybrid car?
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    Iraq is almost surrounded by American and British troops, the American and British airforces control parts of Iraq, so in that way Iraq is not a real threat for the US. But just like the US and British troops are in Iraq, Saddam's people might be in the US and Brittain, so in that way he is a threat.

    In my opinion it is very strange how Bush treats Iraq, he says they have mass destruction weapons, but can not proof it. Pakistan, India and North-Korea have mass destruction weapons, we know that, but why not treat them like Iraq? In my opinion it is just the oil that he wants and needs, the US is one of the largest oil consuming countries. With cars which drive 1:3 and that kind of things.

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    In my opinion it is very strange how Bush treats Iraq, he says they have mass destruction weapons, but can not proof it. Pakistan, India and North-Korea have mass destruction weapons, we know that, but why not treat them like Iraq? In my opinion it is just the oil that he wants and needs, the US is one of the largest oil consuming countries. With cars which drive 1:3 and that kind of things.
    America isnt just a big oil consumer.
    Every American citizen uses twice as much energie as any other citizen in the world.
    Just to state how big-big spenders they are.
    <<thinking about airconditoning in the house, cars that spend twice as much gasoline, etc can go on 4 hours i guess>>

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    >Pakistan, India and North-Korea have mass destruction weapons...
    The number of Nukes these countries possess is no where even close to what Israel possesses, but instead of hitting Israel, US supports it, and worst of all, all this is supplied by the US itself to Israel.
    US is the biggest arsenal of nuclear/chemical/bio weapons in the world, why does it not think about itself? It by it's virtue is the biggest threat to this world, none other.
    The only reason why US is behind Iraq is, the "OIL".
    America is at the height of it's madness. What happened in Afghanistan was justifiable, but what ever is happening after that is not. Since they could do what they wanted in Afghanistan, the US thinks it can do the same elsewhere in the world, but history has been the proof, fate of such countries has been grave, and I see America nearing it's doom, soon.

    >Every American citizen uses twice as much energie as any other citizen in the world.
    True, Americans are big time spenders, to continue to satiate their spending needs, America needs a source of income, since it's current economy is incapable to meet the current needs, so the quickest solution found is "Iraq".

    >how are they not, they have been crossing every single line drawn in...
    It is a known fact that Iraq does not possess any nuclear weapon. The US claims Iraq possesses bio/chemical/nuclear weapons, then why has it not been able to prove their point? I dont deny the fact that they did once upon a time possess them, but now they are clean. And, who provided them with all these weapons/technology, the US/UK itself. Alright, lets accept they do possess all this, even then they do not have the capability to target anywhere even close to US, then how on Earth can Iraq be a threat to the US is something out of comprehension.

    The US used 17million Gallons of Agent Orange against Vietnam, is this justified? NO.

    UN has sanctioned 610 Sanctions on Iraq till date, and it has veto'ed 30+ sanctions for Israel. Israel is a much more threatening case to the region than the other way. Why does not the US think of applying it's "War against Terrorism" on this country? But it instead, supports it calling the evil-doer "Man of Peace"!

    Iraq is the second largest reserve of Oil in the world only after Saudi Arabia, with this potential, I do see the stand by US.

    "Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history" - December 1998, Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief.

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    no wonder france and germany are opposed to the war-
    they control the euro and every opec country chnging to euro will mean big profits for them and nothing for the americans

    americans dont want to be told to change their currency to euro when buying oil, they want to be the top and for that reason they might attack other oil countries that are planning to switch as a lesson to others

    now i see how iraq is such a huge threat to the US!

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    I think there is a HUGE amount of hypocrisy in the world today. I am coming round to the idea that we should go to war to remove Hussain but I certainly recognise the hypocrisy of doing so.

    He gases his own people - So do lot's of other leaders, do we attack them as well?

    He may have WMD - So do lot's of other's (India and Pakistan have been on the verge of using them)

    We condemn everything Iraq does - We (or at least Bush) support everything that Israel does

    Something I think is appallng by Blair is the situation in Zimbabwe. For those who don't know, there are thousands of British Ex-pats living in Zimbabwe. President Mugabe has mounted a campaign of slaughter to butcher all these people in a bid to rid the country of white people. He has destroyed everything they have and killed and maimed entire families. Yet Blair has spoken before the Nation and said he will do nothing. These ex-pats wish to come back but have no money to do so. It seems we have the resources to bomb Iraq, the willingness to offer asylum to ex-Taliban fighters, but we can't airlift our own citizens to safety and give them a new start in England. I think much of the behaviour by our leaders is disgusting.

    I think that we will go to war with Iraq, I think it was decided months ago. Given that, there are a couple of things I would like to see happen.

    1. Get on with it, so the Iraqi citizens and allied servicemen don't go to bed every night wondering if they will live through the next day.

    2. There are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people in Iraq who already live in poverty. Once war breaks out, it won't be long before these people are on death's door. The allies should do the decent thing and mount an enormous humanitarian operation as of day 1, to see that food, water and medical care reaches those people before starvation and disease can get a hold on them.

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    Originally posted by minesweeper
    Something I think is appallng by Blair is the situation in Zimbabwe.
    It's just not cricket, is it?

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    I really wonder why so many people in the world today still shortsighted and blindness about the reason for Irag War.
    Let go back to the past to enlight someone who are still in the dark about why U.S is forced to WAR.

    The root cause for the U.S go war over Afghan and Iraq orginated from terrorism. When the U.S was attacked by terrorists with the death of thousands U.S innocent citizens on September 11, the US did not make a War right away with Afghan where harbor terrorists. Before go to the war, U.S has given Afghan a peaceful chance to avoid war is hand over TERRORISTs. I still remember before going to War, the U.S has offered a long time for the Afghan's government to think it over, and I believe Afghan'government did rally a national convention to decide hand over Terrorists. But finally, they decide to fight war with U.S to protect Terrorists. That was why Afghan war started. If there is NO September 11 ever happened in the U.S, and Afghan did meet with U.S requests, which supported over the world, is to turn over terrorists then I dont think the US-Afghan war has ever happened. I remember that Afghan government has once wow "DOWN TO AMERICAN".. "DOWN To AMERICAN", but sadly, Who was DOWN. Look at the Taliban government today. Hmm, perhaps god did bless American to got survived instead of "DOWN TO AMERICA"???
    To me, Americans are one of nicest people in the World. From churches to non-profit organizations has been making a huge contribution to the humanary help and relief around the world regardless race, nationality, color...........
    Like other ordinary human in this world, they are also a human who desire to live peaceful with the world unless some one try to attack us or harbor the terrorists to attack us.

    Let me go back the root reasons to cause consequences of a war over Iraq today. I remember that after September 11, international intellegence and CIA has disclosed that Iraq had some source with in connection with terrorism. And at that time I thought that the US-Iraq war could happen too, not just only with Afghan.
    So the root cause has been started from terrorism that bring war with Afghan and today with Iraq. If North-Korea, Indian.., or any country around the world connected with terrorism to attack the U.S citizens regardless of whether it has nukes or not, must face the same consequence. That why We dont care much about North-Korea unless they has been connected with terrorism.
    I dont care much about the people use OIL as topic to judge for the Iraq war. OIL is definitely necessary, but I think US have its own land of many resources with oil, U.S can use Alaska alone to get oil for its overall national consumption and dont necessary rely on other countries.
    But the main reason for go war with Iraq is for the sake of security and peace of American people. If Saddam dont destroy
    MDW and connecting with terror or let terrorism able access to the MD weapons, then who, even UN, going to guarantee to the American people that it will never get attacked again on the U.S home land???Who will guarantee Americans will live peaceful like other human of the world in the future??????????
    Hope this will enlight to those crap people.

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    Originally posted by KingoftheWorld
    OIL is definitely necessary, but I think US have its own land of many resources with oil, U.S can use Alaska alone to get oil for its overall national consumption and dont necessary rely on other countries.
    You must be joking, right?
    Do you have any idea how much oil the US consumes per annum?
    Do you think the US would still rely on the unstable Middle East to service this need if they had sufficient reserves in Alaska?
    Have you wondered why the US declined to sign the Kyoto treaty on reduction of fossil fuel emissions?

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