You learning future is here...

Originally posted by RoD
I already have, as have several others. Read our posts and arguments.

I haven't seen anyone making a clear statements 'this won't
make cprog better', Offcourse it has it's disadvantages but
shouting out loud that i wont make it better at all? no...
I'l awate the dicsision of the moderators\administrators\webmaster.

Well lets see... If this doesnt work, i have plans to start a site completely for tutorials... But that would be work.. I would prefer it here.. any way time will tell...


And the reason many advnaced programmers or users here are not interested in the idea is due to the fact many tutorials would not interest them.. Will they want to read a tutorial on C++, pointers, data structures,, no, not at all.. they would already be masters with it.. But new or basic programmers or users here would not be..

It wont make it better because the maintainence of it will take away from mods time needed elsewhere, not too mention it will just take up database for something we already have two sections for!

You have hammer's new faq and the section on the website, why do we need more?? The ratio of its predictable usage too time maintaining is wayyy unbalanced, and makes it pointless.

New moderators can always be assigend so that's no argument,
And the tutorials on the main index are just not paid attention to,
nobody comments it nor fixes nor answer questions readers have
about it. And i haven't seen Hammers FAQ yet so we can't judge
about that yet.

And the tutorials on the main index are just not paid attention to,
nobody comments it nor fixes nor answer questions readers have
about it.

Wrong. They are in the process of being updated, and if they arent payed attention too and people dont answer questions, then why do i get pm's and emails about them? Freaky.

And i haven't seen Hammers FAQ yet so we can't judge
about that yet

Try clicking the link.

Originally posted by RoD
Wrong. They are in the process of being updated, and if they arent payed attention too and people dont answer questions, then why do i get pm's and emails about them? Freaky.

Then explain the countless threads about things that are
explained in the FAQ?

Simple they are pre-RoD, i get alot of questions since i began to work on the tutorials section.

Originally posted by RoD
Simple they are pre-RoD, i get alot of questions since i began to work on the tutorials section.

I'm refering to the questions where the answers lie in the
basic C++ tutorials.

> i have plans to start a site completely for tutorials (..) I would
> prefer it here..

You could ask the maintainers of cprog if your tutorials could be placed here. Then you have tutorials and you have them here.

> And the reason many advnaced programmers or users here are
> not interested in the idea is due to the fact many tutorials
> would not interest them.. Will they want to read a tutorial on
> C++, pointers, data structures,, no, not at all..
> they would already be masters with it.. But new or basic
> programmers or users here would not be..

Such tutorials would be large, very large, if their purpose would be to answer most questions beginners usually have. They would have to explain about C, C++, algorithms and datastructures. There are already a lot of sites and books on this.

I don't say your idea is a bad one, in fact, I like the idea to have tutorials which beginners could read. But on the other hand there are already a lot of good tutorials and books which they could read. In my opinion it is more usefull to direct them to those tutorials and books and let them read those. If they have questions, then they can come here, but I think it is not a good idea to spend much effort in writing things which already exist. In my opinion that time could better be spend on helping beginners with their questions and show them how to find more info on the internet. I usually see that beginners don't know where to look for, they often don't know the exact terms required to find specific information.

What a horrible idea.

Getting a new board added to this site is near impossible anyhow...and thank God! Hammer's right, we'd end up in a gigantic ........fest of flaming and debate. If they're too lazy to find the tutorials section of the site then they don't deserve to live anyhow.

>>New moderators can always be assigend

I'm not sure how hard I should be laughing here...are you angling for a mod position?

>>I haven't seen anyone making a clear statements 'this won't
make cprog better'

This won't make cprog better. Happy?

>>I'l awate the dicsision of the moderators \ administrators \webmaster.
>>It's now up to the Mods...

Hammer made it quite clear his feelings about it. I know for a fact the rest of the mods are sane enough to not even take this into consideration. This is no different than "We need a Java board d00derz bcuz I'm too lazy to go somewhere else! LOLOLOLOL!!!"

I'm not sure how hard I should be laughing here...are you angling for a mod position?

Offcourse not, Bu there are lots o' people expirienced nuf to be
one.

This won't make cprog better. Happy?

Yep.

LOLOLOLOL!!!

No comment....

Originally posted by -KEN-
Hammer's right, we'd end up in a gigantic ........fest of flaming and debate.

You mean we aren't already?!?

I think that the forum isn't the place for tutorials. Running classes perhaps, but not static information, otherwise, why have the site?

Originally posted by Travis Dane

>>I haven't seen anyone making a clear statements 'this won't
make cprog better'

>>And i haven't seen Hammers FAQ yet so we can't judge
about that yet.

You amaze me Both your statements go to prove you can't even be bothered to read this thread, let alone anything useful like the FAQ or a tutorial. In future, Try reading what people are saying before posting.

>>i see that more people want it rather than "Dont want it"
IMHO, those voting "don't care" are probably doing so because they don't see a use for it, but don't want to stop others from benefiting from it. So, they are actually voting against it, but in a polite way. Or maybe they share Shiro's views, that tutorials are good, but not in the shape of a forum. Either way, the majority is against. But hey, my theories could be wrong.

>>If this doesnt work, i have plans to start a site completely for tutorials
Why not use this site, you do realise you can submit things to be displayed on the FAQ and tutorials pages?

>>This is no different than "We need a Java board...
Oh come on, *please* don't put ideas into peoples heads..

Whatever comes of this thread, the final decision goes to the webmaster, but without a landslide victory, I seriously doubt a new forum will get created. (IMHO).

Originally posted by Hammer
You amaze me

What i ment was RoD wrote it off as not being ANY help for
the board whatsoever, I don't quite agree, It's advantages
might not stack up against the problems that come with it,
But i think it's intentions where right.

Intentions wont create success. In that paragraph alone u summed up my whole argument in my favor, thanks.