A lil controversy: Cloning

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    I'm with you RoD, I'm all for it but am a little worried about where it might go. I'm fairly confident though that society will keep it in check more or less except for maybe a madman or two.

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    i dont completly disagree w/the fact that cloning a pig for example could be useful (end food shortages) but when it comes to human cloning thats where its gotta stop, cloining a human shows none of the same advantages that cloining an animal just for food would.

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    I see all of you people talking about how cloning itself cannot possibly be useful. It doesn't seem anyone acknowledged my posts so I'm going to say my view one more time then can it. We may be able to gain very useful knowledge from genetic research (from cloning research), this knowledge may someday be used not to necessarily clone organisms, but rather we may be able to create a genetic makeup that is immune to disease. We may also be able to create plantlife that can be used to grow anywhere, for example other planets, by creating genetic code that is immune to harsh conditions. This doesn't seem out of line with everything else we have been doing. Heck Gregor Mendel was fooling around with pea plants in the 1800s(is that date correct?), this would just be more high tech.

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    Who needs plants when we have The Matrix?

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    [/seriously ........ing off mode]
    Who is ........ed off, are you ........ed off? I'm not ........ed off, I actually thought your remark was funny

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    The definition of a clone is an exact copy of the original. In the case of the sheep, it died at 6 years of age. Did the original die at 6 years? of the same cause too? No and No.
    Therefore, you wouldn't call that cloning.

    If they can actually successfully clone an organism, and fit the definition of the clone, then where would the ethical dilemmas be?

    Im for cloning... but only after they get it right.
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    >>The definition of a clone is an exact copy of the original. In the case of the sheep, it died at 6 years of age. Did the original die at 6 years? of the same cause too? No and No.

    if i made a clone of you, and you die at age 65, that doesnt mean your clone would, every single concious being on this planet has a unique life experience, just because the cloned sheep died at age 6 doesnt mean that it wasnt a clone. dolly had the same genetic makeup of the origional therefor making it an exact copy!
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    it won't increase food. the same amount of things are getting born, they are just modified. It's not like they go poof! and a living organism pops up out of thin air.

    I think it is great myself. We can learn so much from this. A lot of people say "what can you learn from just copying an organism". But if we can start modifying things to change how the clone develops, there is so much we could do.

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    >>but rather we may be able to create a genetic makeup that is immune to disease<<

    I don't see the benefit. If we eradicated disease tomorrow then the world's population would increase at an even faster rate than it already is. There would eventually be mass starvation and thirst as the earth couldn't physically support all the people. Huge wars would break out due to overcrowding. Huge numbers of people would be killed, just as with disease, but from different causes.

    >>But if we can start modifying things to change how the clone develops<<

    The thought of that is terrible. Are you suggesting we breed a clone and then, when it's a child, start experimenting with it's genetics to see what happens? Or even experimenting with them before the birth? What happens when some of those experiments go horribly wrong? Are you gonna be the one to tell another human being that they will be malformed for life because of a messed up experiment?

    I find it stange that people would be mortified if the government started randomly selecting children to go away for bio weapons research testing yet they would consent to human beings being bred purely for experimentation.

    I am not fundamentally against cloning. I'm not worried about a clone army or any rubbish like that. But look what's happened to Dolly, she had a terrible life. I never want to see a human being go through that as part of an experiment. People that say 'oh well we will perfect the science before making any human clones', quite frankly, I don't believe it's possible.
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    people say that we'll perfect the science before we clone humans, but the fact is there are doctors in italy that have claimed to have a cloned human, i mean come on, what could we learn from cloning, genetic engineering and cloning are different so if youre going to say we could cure disease by cloning, you'd better back up how.
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    >>if youre going to say we could cure disease by cloning, you'd better back up how.<<

    I didn't say we would, some other dude did, I quoted.

    >>people say that we'll perfect the science before we clone humans, but the fact is there are doctors in italy that have claimed to have a cloned human<<

    Yeah and when Dolly was born, people said 'oh look they have cloned a sheep, cloning must work'. Then a few years later it starts having growth deformaties, premature arthritis etc. And now it's had to be put down. I don't call that a success and I don't belive anyone who says we can perfect the art of cloning humans before a single human is cloned. I am ALL for the furthering of science, I am after all an engineer. But experiments on humans who haven't consented, especially before they are born is absolutely wrong in my opinion.

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    On a side note, I don't know what the rush is to clone people. I mean everyone is different and unique. That is one of the things that is so great about nature.

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    ok well two points:
    1 - cloning IS genetic engineering
    2 - it's not going to stop
    3 - Hey silly I said there's only two points

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    Alot of good points, particuarly the point minesweep made about over-running the earths population be ridding disease...i see diseases, some, as a form of natural selection so to speak.

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    Originally posted by Travis Dane
    You've played too much "Red Alert 2 Yuri's revenge"
    Maybe he sow Star Wars, Attach of the clones.

    I don't really think it's going to be used in wars.
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