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    > the german govt. reminds me an awful lot of the NAZI regime

    So in your opinion Schroeder is like Hitler? Never read such nonsense. Seems you don't know what you are writing. Please read and learn first something about Germany before writing nonsense like this.

    In my opinion you should apology to the Germans for this.

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    It's easy to hate certain sites and the content they spew... but it's YOUR choice on whether you wish to look at it and when a govt. like germany decides what u can and cannot see based on the MORALS of a select few - you don't see that as dangerous and wrong - what's next, this man does not like porn or violence maybe he will ban sites dealing with pornography and even sites of VIDEO GAME makers who make titles that are "illegal" in germany.

    Germany already bans videos and video games that have titles and content they find "immoral" - it is illegal for a german to even look at a nazi symbol...

    For all u socialists on this board, this is socialism staring u in the face - govts. removing your freedom of choice and deciding your life is where socialism leads.

    I didn't want to post anything that refers to the site itself but the articles explain much better what is happening....
    http://www.prohosters.com/joker.html

    I would not care but this time it affects america and american rights, and it is issue that is spreading and not retreating -
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    >>In my opinion you should apology to the Germans for this.

    I say to u,

    GROW UP... be an adult and take it on the chin who cares if you are offended, I certainly don't, that is my american right to say what I wish. Your thin skin is your problem and not mine, and germanies sensiblilities should be kept to germany and not affect americans, yet it is.

    I wouldn't even know about this issue until a german pointed it out, and he's the one who compared it to the NAZI's, I'm sure he got in trouble b/c he's not even allowed to talk about it legally...
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    > when a govt. like germany decides what u can and cannot see based on the MORALS of a select few - you don't see that as dangerous and wrong

    So, what do you think about the US government taking down some pro-bin Laden pages after 9/11?

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    >Germany already bans videos and video games that have titles
    >and content they find "immoral" - it is illegal for a german to
    >even look at a nazi symbol...

    It is not only Germany, but also other European countries have such things. I wonder if you even know about the neo-nazis.

    >removing your freedom of choice and deciding your life is where
    >socialism leads.

    Ah, you don't know what socialism is. The Netherlands has always had a government with a socialistic-democratic party in it. They haven't taken away my freedom of choice and they don't decide how I should live. Socialism leads to a social country, the US could learn a lot from it.

    >Your thin skin is your problem and not mine, and germanies
    >sensiblilities should be kept to germany and not affect
    >americans, yet it is.

    Funny how you are showing the same nationalism the nazis did and do.

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    Originally posted by OneStiffRod
    I would not care but this time it affects america and american rights
    How so? They're preventing Germans from viewing it, not doing anything to Americans or America. Whether Germans do or should, or don't or shouldn't, have a right to view a website doesn't mean an American has a right for them to see it.
    Did Germany somehow force the US guy to take down his site? That would violate his rights.

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    >>Did Germany somehow force the US guy to take down his site? That would violate his rights.

    YES... that is exactly what happened and that is what im pointing out, and they did it without regard or due process. READ THIS ARTICLE as I posted before.
    http://www.prohosters.com/joker.html

    I don't care if germany bans sites for germans to see but they are not doing it for just germans they are banning sites outright - forcing them off the internet.
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    Originally posted by Govtcheez
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    So, what do you think about the US government taking down some pro-bin Laden pages after 9/11?
    I think it's fine. Bin Laden is responsible for thousands of deaths, and helping a mass murderer is illegal.
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    Helping a mass murderer's different than putting a website saying you support him. Some people might even say it's (gasp) free speech.

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    True, but someone supporting a mass murderer is likely to help him thru their site.
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    I didn't realize being likely to do something was a crime.

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    How is it even possible for Germany to shut down a United States subdomain, malicious hacking aside? The closest thing to it would be blocking the german DNS servers' listings of that site. A person could manually specify a different DNS server, but finding the site in question wouldn't be done accidentally.

    I feel that any government censorship is wrong, whatever the content censored.

    So child porn is somehow more illegal than massmurder ?
    In terms of pictures, yes. Child porn online is evidence of a crime committed. A child was sexually hurt/molested in the making of that photo/movie. However, it is legal to show child porn on a web site if it's not a photo but a completely computer generated image, or a drawing.

    Racist web sites are allowed under American free speech, which protects a person's right to express an opinion. It's not the government's job to question the morality of that opinion.

    So, what do you think about the US government taking down some pro-bin Laden pages after 9/11?
    It depends on the content. Expressing an opinion for bin Laden is not illegal. Saying that money will be donated to him is. Or spreading espionage.

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    Originally posted by nvoigt
    Do you even know the name of our head of state ? I guess you don't. Have you seen the sites that ought to be blocked ? NAZI sites ! I think it's a shame your country is hosting them under the cloak of free speech. Don't pull that Nazi stuff on me. Look at that site Germany tries to block. That are Nazis and America is protecting them. And harboring terrorists is as bad as being one. Your words. Why do you allow those people to spread their hate ? Would you allow Osama to spread his hate ? Why not ? Why is it you ban sites of someone murdering 5 thousand people while you think it's freedom of speech to glorify someone who killed millions ?

    I don't like the block and it' easy to circumvent anyway, but it's perfectly legal, because those sites are illegal here. We don't order you to remove them, we just don't allow providers to grant access to illegal stuff. Both american providers did not react to requests to take those hate-sites off the net. Obviously $$$ is more important than humanity.

    I am against the block. I did not vote for the guy who ordered it, and I will vote for anyone who promises to lift it. But I am also against those sites. None of those involved, neither American providers nor German Governments act the way they should.



    So child porn is somehow more illegal than massmurder ?

    I can't argue against the merit of your statement. However, I don't believe that any opinions should be censored. Censorship is a gray area. Once something gets censored, other things are bound to be censored, IMVHO. The reason child porn is banned is because children are not considered mature enough to amek all decisions so certain restrictions are placed on what they can do. However, if you are an adult, you are supposed to know what to do. If you believe that some aliens created the Earth, who am I to say that you can't talk about it. IMVHO, one should be able to do anything they want, as long as it does not encroach on the rights of others.

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    Well I read the article, but echo ygf - how does a German company disable an American site on a US based server? I don't know every detail of how the Internet is set up, but that doesn't sound right.

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    how does a German company disable an American site on a US based server?

    The company in question is a regristrar - ie like Network solutions or others who buy and sell Toplevel domain names. The German govt. is saying that this site has no right to exist under that name and here's the rub, if the site moved to another domain the german govt. can once again ban and destroy that toplevel domain. A top level domain is anything like www.cprogramming.com, a sub domain is something like cboard.cprogramming.com.

    If the german govt., specifically this prosecutor doesn't like what is being discussed on this board he could very conceivably ban www.cprogramming.com as a whole.
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