Integration problems

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    Integration problems

    A lot of people fly from their country to other countries and are asking for asylum in the country they fled to. In the Netherlands there are thousands of such people, they came from other parts of Europe, mainly eastern-Europe, from Africa and all kind of other places.

    Every city in the Netherlands and a lot of villages have a so called AZC (Asiel Zoeker Centrum) where people who are waiting for asylum being granted or not. Those people usually don't speak Dutch and often speak English badly. So it is very hard for them and for us to integrate them in the Dutch society.

    Also in the city where I live we have a few hundreds of those people, I have no problem with them, I understand they fled because of war or hunger or other things and they can find a safe place here.

    But the number of people who don't like those people staying here is growing, mainly because

    1. It costs a lot of money, those people need food, money, clothes and a house.
    2. Those people often don't speak a language we know.
    3. Those people usually find it hard to accept our way of living and culture, especially if they are from an country where Islam is the main religion.
    4. The number of those people is still growing.

    I can understand it, the Dutch also have their own problems, but in my opinion we must help those people as good as we can.

    Do you in your countries also have such problems?

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    When I saw the title, I assumed this thread was about areas under curves!

    However, we also have a large number of refugees and asylum seekers here, and yes, there are stirrings amongst certain, mainly right wing elements, of the population.

    I would add a "5" to your list of problems, that being, in areas where there are significant numbers of these people, the crime rates are rising steeply.
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    I tottaly agree with shiro, this country is totally flooding
    with refugees, therefore whe have a severe house shortage
    here, and allot of the refugees are criminals.
    Finally there's some attention focussed on this problem, but i
    still think it'l be a while before whe have some space again
    in this country

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    Hmmm, I disagree with you Travis Dane.

    I don't know in which part of the Netherlands you live, but here in the northern part there is no house shortage. In my opinion we have to give those refugees a safe place until they can return home safely, except those refugees coming here because of our economy. (As you've probably noticed I'm a left-wing voter, I'll vote one of the parties on the left wing, probably GroenLinks or SP. Don't know yet.)

    I know that in the western parts and southern parts of our country house prices are very high and there is a serious shortage of payable houses. But that doesn't mean we don't need to help those people.

    Unfortunetaly a minor group of the refugees do criminal things, but this does not mean that all of them or even a lot of them are criminals. But usually it is a small group of refugees who get in the news which makes people think all refugees are criminals.

    We do have space in our country, but mainly in the northern parts and the eastern parts. I wonder if there will ever be space again in the western and southern parts. Unless our government decides to lower house prices and lets more houses being built.

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    I live in Gelderland, and i can tell you, theres a serious house
    shortage here, as a result, whe get thousands of house stuck
    together, very ugly sight. Of course whe need to help those
    people, but at some point whe ARE full, and allot of those people
    dont even need help but just come here because our Econemy
    is better, I think other country's should help people as good
    as whe did.

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    Originally posted by Shiro
    lets more houses being built.
    Really, if they're going to build more houses build them north!
    And if they are lowering the prices, building budgets will lower,
    and the current 'new' houses,are really crap,walls so thin
    you can hear the neighboure do 'you know what',
    So i dont know if thats a solution, funding house building might
    be possible, but i dont think thats going to happen with the
    current state of economics

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    Big big problems here in the UK.

    Where do I start, you have already covered the big cost of providing for these people, especially at a time when the economy is slow thus making it necessary to cut back on things like health care for our own elderly people etc.

    The other problem is infrastructure. Towns and cities develop over a long period of time. As more tax paying people move to an area, the public services in that area exapnd accordingly. This is however a gradual and iterative process. If you simply inject a few thousand people into an area, the system can't cope.

    As Adrian said, there is also a problem with crime, and with crime comes bad publicity, and with that comes racial hatred.

    I feel that it is up to the newcomers to adapt, even if that means abandoning their habits, routines, religious rules etc. It is after all, our way of life that has created a country in which they are able to obtain safe refuge.
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    >but at some point whe ARE full, and allot of those people
    >dont even need help but just come here because our Econemy
    >is better,

    That are the people who come here for economical reasons. They don't need our help, that is true we have to reject their asylum request and send them back to where they came from.

    But, there are about 90.000 refugees in the Netherlands, there are 16.000.000 people in total living in the Netherlands. So when looking at those numbers, I don't think it are the refugees making our country full.

    > I think other country's should help people as good as whe did.

    I think a lot of them do. The problem is in my opinion the lack of European rules for this. There have to be European rules for asylum. Currently the countries themselves have to handle it, but if we can handle it on European level, we can spread refugees more in Europe. We can do better border checking, because in Europe we don't have borders anymore, but around it we still have. The Netherlands is too small for solving this problem, it should be a European problem.

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    >Really, if they're going to build more houses build them north!

    Yep. They actually do. Just take a look at Emmen, Heerenveen and Hoogeveen. There currently is a lot of space and the prices of houses here are 2 times lower than in the western parts. A lot of people from the western parts are coming here.

    >And if they are lowering the prices, building budgets will lower,
    >and the current 'new' houses,are really crap,walls so thin
    >you can hear the neighboure do 'you know what',

    Heh. I think lowering the house prices can also be reached by offering more houses. If the supply increases, the prices should go lower.

    >So i dont know if thats a solution, funding house building might
    >be possible, but i dont think thats going to happen with the
    >current state of economics

    I also don't think it will happen.

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    Am i the first from the US to post here?? Wow, guess we don't count, as were just trying to bomb everyone anyway.

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    One doesn't hear much about the US when it comes to looking after refugees and asylum seekers. Are there many in the US? There are hundreds of thousands, possibly millions by now, of them in Western Europe.
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    not unless you count all the mexicans that sneak in, no offense intended.

    I compare m$ and the US alot lately lol.

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    Well I am in kind of a weird place, I'm flordian, two generations removed from Cuba (legally immigrated), so while I see the problems south florida is having (Trust me shiro, better that they live in their own townships than set up barrios in your metro centers). I also have to remember that (In America at least) virtually the entire population is somehow immigrant to this nation, myself included. So it is not as easy to oppose immigration, other than those who come to this country illegally.

    And I was thinking area under curve too.

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    RoD, I don't know where you come from, but in my travels and dealings in Miami, Florida I can say with some confidence that a great many "asylum seekers" enter this country illegally. I've never been to texas but my understanding is that it is a problem there too.

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    (Note: I haven't read the whole thread, I'm too lazy )
    We also have the same problem. People are getting intolerant. I'm affraid extreme right (Vlaams Blok) will win the elections in Antwerp. I do not want to live in a country where extreme right has the power. They are very good in saying that the imigrants are the cause of all the problems that we have. Well, I say : "What problems?". Sure we have unemployment, sure we need to pay for their food and houses. It is not that I'm getting poorer because of that. Here I'm sitting behind my 1000 PC with my broadband connection and all the food I can eat (I do have to go to the store occasionly to get some more food ). Atleast I live in a country where I can say what I want and have the rights a free man should have. Extreme right can say what's bad and what should be changed, but they offer NO solutions (unless you consider "put every on back on a plane to where they came from" a solution. I do agree that we can't take care of them all and that we have to set limits. If they are here to commit crimes, sent them back for all care. But we don't have tread them all the same, there are good and bad people among them just as there are among the Belgian people. I do have a problem with imigrants that act like it is their country. Some guy wanted to put the pollice under his own survailance. He even proposed that Arabic should be an official Belgian language. I'm sorry, but if that happens, I'm moving to Holland
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