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    >The biggest complaint is that foreigners take American Jobs

    Refugees cannot work here, I don't know exactly how it is in other European countries, but I think it is the same situation.

    >Actually, the KURDS in the North have a thoroughly modern
    >society up there.

    But don't forget that Saddam doesn't like the Kurds, neither does Turkey. There are a lot of Kurds in Europe who fled for the armies of Turkey and Iraq hunting for them. Currently it is a bit more quiet since Iraq has a different problem. They built a modern society there, but they are not safe. You can compare it in some way with Israel and the Palestines.

    >Most IRAQI defectors and refugees will return to IRAQ

    A lot of Iraqi refugees are currently in Europe and a lot will come when the war starts. Probably a lot of them will return, but fact is that when they are here, we have to take care of them. And that will take a lot of money and organisation.

    >Personally, I don't believe in National Religions or Languages.
    >Just use whatever most people use.

    English is the most used language. I guess this also counts for Europe, with German as a good second one. The problem is that in Europe there still are a lot of people who don't speak English. A lot of refugees are send to asylum centres (correct English?) on the countryside, where not everyone masters English very well. So they still have to learn the basics national language.

    >The government even offers a cash bonus to return home

    Same here. They can get some money and a ticket home. But the real refugees, those who fled from their countries because of something like a war, don't. They want a safe place to stay, not a cash bonus and a ticket back home into the war.

    >I'ld like to add that some countries need immigrant( educated
    >and trained ) because they don't have a big population...

    Often it is not the size of the population, but the composition of the population. You need certain people, like medical experts, in your country. If you don't have them, you need to get them.

    So the size does not really matter. For example, the Netherlands has about the same area as Danmark. Danmark has about 5.5 million people, the Netherlands have a bit more than 16 million. So in this context we have a big population, but we do have a lack of people working in education and care.

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    >>Often it is not the size of the population, but the composition of the population. You need certain people, like medical experts, in your country. If you don't have them, you need to get them.

    So the size does not really matter. For example, the Netherlands has about the same area as Danmark. Danmark has about 5.5 million people, the Netherlands have a bit more than 16 million. So in this context we have a big population, but we do have a lack of people working in education and care.<<

    I think just about every country has shortages in health and education sectors. Anyway I was going to say that you are right in that you need the correct composition of population. A significant problem in Britain now is that after the war there was a baby boom. Now that generation are retiring or approaching retirement. Only the thing is that they didn't continue with the baby boom rate of reproduction. So now there are not enough people of working age to support themselves and all the old folk. Because of this we need educated immigrants to work and generate tax for pensions. Only that leads to another problem that we have.....overcrowdedness. England is a tiny island, it could fit inside one of America's states, yet we have a population of 60 million. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

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    The same problem here. The number of people above 65 is growing and growing, but the number of working people and children is not growing that fast. So every year a relative smaller number of working people has to bring up the money. That is one of the reasons a number of political parties here propose that people have to work also after they turned 65. Currently people retire when they turn 65, some even are able to retire earlier.

    I read in the newspaper of our city that a lot of the younger people, mainly from central-Africa, are going back. Most of the people who applied for asylum and were granted asylum are the older people. We also have to pay for them, to me that is no problem, as being a professional software engineer I earn a bit more than a minimum income, but I can understand the people who have a minimum income or even a payment do have problems with it.

    Currently there are elections going on and I hope the parties on the left-wing will win, else we will get serious trouble here. A lot of parties on the right-wing want to almost close the border and get rid of most of the refugees. Besides, they want to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

    That is, in my opinion, not the way to handle, we should stay solidary with those refugees and also with the poor people in our country. We should give the refugees a safe place and let the rich pay more, the strongers shoulders have to bear the heaviest weights.

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    I don't think alot of you understand how much these people
    want to fit in. This one hispanic women made me a deal ...
    She would give her daughter for marriage if only I tought her daughter english.

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