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    Originally posted by fry

    Yes, they do provide a lot of aid to other countries, and often this can be in good will. But i am sure that somewhere, hidden away, they have a motive that they can now have power over this country "after all they have done for it".

    It doesnt involve any killing, as such. But Americas every action is still strategically made to get others on their side, while they maintain control the "side".
    That's the problem with this world. If you help someone out then they feel like there are alterior motives that you provide that help. The US or any other top-tier country just can't win in my opinion. Maybe we should just quit helping out and let them deal with their disasters by themselves..... Heck, I never hear about other countries coming to our aid when we have a major disaster (9/11, San Fran earthquake, etc) occurs. We have to deal with it ourselves as far as I know.
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    Perhaps foreigners should not take the US for granted?

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    Being a Nuclear power is the only solution not ultimate from being attacked by other country. This is the recent truth in this beautiful world.

    Here having five super power with Nuclear arms is the only condition of world peace. This makes the first statement more reasonable. Countries like Israel, India, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran (May be) already got the point, other will realize soon.


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    That's the problem with this world. If you help someone out then they feel like there are alterior motives that you provide that help.
    I dunno what it is, but the US seem to give off that impression more than anyone else. Generally you just see the US trying to involve itself in things that have nothing to do with itself. Yes, this can be a good thing (depending on the circumstances), but sometimes its best to leave it be until it actually looks like it will become a problem for the rest of the world. (This is not aimed at current events with Iraq and Korea, but more specifically its historical past).

    I still feel that the US, once they "fix" a situation, try and maintain direct control over it, rather than giving a country back to its people who are capable of looking after themselves from that point.

    I never hear about other countries coming to our aid when we have a major disaster
    Almost every country in the world contributed in some way to 9/11. Whether by actual aid or other forms of assistance. In general though, i get the idea that they dont want to recieve aid from other countries. Then they might show weakness and dependance.
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    I'd like to add this...

    We Americans find this really funny, this JEALOUSY the rest of the world has for us - the contempt they have for us is based on jealousy.

    U ppl seem to not understand that everywhere we are in the world, we have been invited. Saudi Arabia, Germany, Turkey, South Korea the list continues. All of these countries seem to graciously except our OFFERS of assistance and it's not our fault that we are the only country offering it. We have not FORCED ourselves upon anyone except those who have ATTACKED us.

    North Korea considers the US as its mortal enemy and vice versa but they except our AID such as FOOD, FUEL, NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, MONEY. It's no sweat off Americas back if North Korea goes down due to famine and just COMMUNISM's effects. How about China - the 'companies' there are 80% american and if we passed a law stating that american companies can no longer do biz in China, china would be in the same sorry state as North Korea.

    This is a comedy of MISERY and MISERY's company that we americans see. If it wasn't for the US bailing out these countries or confronting these EVIL regimes what do u think the world would look like. It's very EASY for the US to decide to withdraw and once again become ISOLATIONIST - there are growing numbers of ppl who are advocating just that and your lack of support for ANYTHING the US tries just makes their case stronger.

    We are the IMF and the World Bank and see very little return for our investments. We must laugh at this to cover the saddness.

    We LAUGH at how u dont understand that ending SADDAM's regime will end misery in IRAQ.
    We LAUGH that w/o the US in KOREA the entire ASIAN theatre will be brisseling with NUCLEAR weapons.

    We DO have a right to limit who has a NUCLEAR weapons, as the more that exist - the more likely they will be used.

    I'll end here, I FIND IT incredibly funny that AMERICA is on a ROLL - we're winning arguments, wars, and NEW alliances - I understand you're hatred for US - you're jealous of our UNSTOPPABLE success - I understand that its ENVY - thnx for the LAUGHS.
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    We don't have to apologize. We wouldn't. Iraq should be apologizing right now. Iraq is a threat to all European & Middle Eastern countries right now.
    I partly agree, you are talking about Iraq, better is to talk about Saddam and his regime. They have to apologize to the citizens of Iraq.

    We LAUGH at how u dont understand that ending SADDAM's regime will end misery in IRAQ.
    That depends on how Saddam's regime will be ended. If Saddam's regime will be ended by a large military attack, then I wonder if this will end the misery. A large military attack will result in a lot of people flying, in a bombed country which as to be restored, in a country without a government, in large growing anti-western feelings in North-Africa and big parts of Asia, in growing anti-US feelings in Europe. Think about the large impact it will have on world's economy.

    I even wonder if the US and Brittain will win the war. They have a far superior army, but from WWII we have learned that this is not a guarantee to win a war. Just think about the things happened to the superior German army in Russia those days.

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    >> I think most American are nice and peace loving.


    Ok, maybe most americans ARE nice and peace loving, but the american govt. doesn't seem to agree to the notion.



    >> We LAUGH at how u dont understand that ending SADDAM's regime will end misery in IRAQ.

    Who the hell is America to do that ? Is America's hands all clean? The misery to IRAQ is not b/c entirely of Saddam, most of it is credited to American Sanctions. IRAQ used to export oil worth 20 bn$ / annum .... now they have to exchange it for food (depriving them of oil worth 2 trillion $/ year? Their misery is not b/c of Saddam. Saddam is just another dictator. The misery is due to America.



    >> U ppl seem to not understand that everywhere we are in the world, we have been invited. Saudi Arabia, Germany, Turkey, South Korea the list continues. All of these countries seem to graciously except our OFFERS of assistance and it's not our fault that we are the only country offering it. We have not FORCED ourselves upon anyone except those who have ATTACKED us.


    How many times has IRAQ attacked or invited you ? Why are you going there ? Have a look at the recent history. America has bombed atleast 50 countries in the last 50 years.



    >> My point is that the US isn't trying to occupy any countries and take over the world like Hitler did.

    But the US IS trying to enforce it's influence in all the world. US wants to control the oil, the global economy, the military/strategic balance....It wants to remain the super-power by hook-or-by-crook.



    >> We DO have a right to limit who has a NUCLEAR weapons, as the more that exist - the more likely they will be used.

    Who gave you that right ? You are the biggest NUCLEAR POWER yourself. Until, you have that power, Russia and China, the second biggest powers in the world, will continue to have them and increase them..... Until Russia and China has that power, Pakistan, India, Iran,N.Korea..... will continue that race. Hence, America is at the root of all evils. Everyone is afraid that america might again use their nuclear ability against them, like they did in Japan. America just issued a statement "AMERICA WILL NOT HESITATE TO USE NUCLEAR ARMS WHENEVEN IT DEEMS THEM TO BE NECESSARY." Bush just threatened IRAQ with "WE WILL NUKE YOU". The only atom bombs used untill now, were used by America in Japan.

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    Now they are all spouting their own sides propaganda again. This is not constructive. I thought just possibly we might be able to have a reasoned intelligent debate, but how can you when both sides are so indoctrinated to believe "their" position and denounce the other's.

    A lot of what is wrong in the world today is simply that people will not rationally discuss their differences. We should be celebrating the fact that we are not all the same, and reveling in the new opportunities there are to be had. Instead we wave our flags and say "you guys are wrong" - what a world.

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    Perhaps I'd be good ig every nation in the world had nuclear weapons. Then no nation would dare attack another because of the risk of starting a nuclear war with mutual destruction.
    The only problem is that terrorists then would have easier to access nukes.

    Maybe it was nukes that prevented WWIII between USA and USSR?
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    >>> Maybe it was nukes that prevented WWIII between USA and USSR?

    The concept was M.A.D. (Mutually Assurred Destruction), and it probably did prevent some conflicts in the latter part of the 20th Century.

    You cannot un-invent nukes, so you must try to ensure that they are not used. The cost to the planet of even a small nuclear exchange is simply to high.
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    I wanna know what Korea is up to. What do they think they're doin creating enough nuclear material to contruct 2 nuclear bombs? They're not gonna make them just to say "ha, we have some nuclear stuff. We 0wnz j00! Korea iz da 1337" Obviously they have an intention of using it in some way.

    They took all monitoring devices away. Thats fairly incrimidating (sp?).

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    Originally posted by OneStiffRod
    I'd like to add this...

    We Americans find this really funny, this JEALOUSY the rest of the world has for us - the contempt they have for us is based on jealousy.

    U ppl seem to not understand that everywhere we are in the world, we have been invited. Saudi Arabia, Germany, Turkey, South Korea the list continues. All of these countries seem to graciously except our OFFERS of assistance and it's not our fault that we are the only country offering it. We have not FORCED ourselves upon anyone except those who have ATTACKED us.

    North Korea considers the US as its mortal enemy and vice versa but they except our AID such as FOOD, FUEL, NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, MONEY. It's no sweat off Americas back if North Korea goes down due to famine and just COMMUNISM's effects. How about China - the 'companies' there are 80% american and if we passed a law stating that american companies can no longer do biz in China, china would be in the same sorry state as North Korea.

    This is a comedy of MISERY and MISERY's company that we americans see. If it wasn't for the US bailing out these countries or confronting these EVIL regimes what do u think the world would look like. It's very EASY for the US to decide to withdraw and once again become ISOLATIONIST - there are growing numbers of ppl who are advocating just that and your lack of support for ANYTHING the US tries just makes their case stronger.

    We are the IMF and the World Bank and see very little return for our investments. We must laugh at this to cover the saddness.

    We LAUGH at how u dont understand that ending SADDAM's regime will end misery in IRAQ.
    We LAUGH that w/o the US in KOREA the entire ASIAN theatre will be brisseling with NUCLEAR weapons.

    We DO have a right to limit who has a NUCLEAR weapons, as the more that exist - the more likely they will be used.

    I'll end here, I FIND IT incredibly funny that AMERICA is on a ROLL - we're winning arguments, wars, and NEW alliances - I understand you're hatred for US - you're jealous of our UNSTOPPABLE success - I understand that its ENVY - thnx for the LAUGHS.


    Stupid as you..... If China passes a rule that all American companies have to get out.. All American corporate heads will be burning Bushs as* to negotiate with China..

    China provides US companies with cheap labour and set up cost.. Without which many US campanies cannot compete in the world market....



    And dont worry your world bank gives u a very good return.. For example the World bank loan ruined Argentina repaying it.. You will have many countries under your controll by giving them your loan.......

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    Originally posted by OneStiffRod
    We invaded Grenada b/c CUBA under CASTRO tried to start a revolution there and HIS army took over the AIRPORT and we went in and kicked his ass out. PPL wonder why we HATE CASTRO is b/c EVERY SINGLE "REVOLUTION" started in the south americas was his doing - he was bent on regional domination through conflict and the US SQUASHED HIS ASS.



    I love when IDIOTS make comments like this... Why should we provide North Korea with millions of gallons of fuel for their ARMY when their ppl are starving and WE get nothing for it- that FUEL agreement was signed on the NK's agreement to STOP ALL nuclear proliferation and submit to inspections. THEY admitted that they never even lived up to the agreement and have been developing their nuclear program all along so WHY should we let them extort us???

    I feel that the IRAQ war has been the victim of bad press, it's really a fight over SADDAM and not IRAQ as a whole. SADDAM is done, one way or the other, the US said it will remove him by force for non-compliance or even if the UN won't allow the US to act against IRAQ the US has pledged to FUND, SUPPLY, and CREATE a RESISTANCE inside IRAQ to DEFEAT SADDAM. Choose your poison - either a swift 1-month action or a LONG 5 year struggle to remove saddam. We are "meddling" whether you ***** or not.

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    North Korea has been building up and planning to attack for 50yrs - this is their mandate and also stems from the belief that they are under IMMENENT threat of attack by the US. THEY EVEN beleive that it was the US who started the Korean War by attacking them first when it's KNOWN fact that they attacked first.

    No wonder COMMUNISM was able to spread so far when u have idiots who beleive words and not the truth in front of their eyes - ppl on this board are taking the side of NORTH KOREA based on their propoganda and not looking at how EVIL this country really is and how the US after 9/11 will dedicate itself to removing these OLD and TIRED threats from the FACE OF THE EARTH.

    And LASTLY, without the US the UN would have no backbone and would be a worthless organization.
    I too love when as* hol** like you talk as if you had never done anytin wrong.. Why the hell did US first agree to provide Korea with Oil then back off... Late then US wanted to stop N.korea from developing Nuclear Technology... Once its gloas was finished just forgets... Same with Afganistan and other countries...


    If it was your wish to back off then it was Koreas wish to back off from the treaty too...


    Persoanlly i am no fan of Korea... I hate Korea.. But in this issue i feel korea has every right to develop a nuke.. And once a country develops nukes America or any other country would not bother to invade it... . And India has learned it well..

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    OneStiffRod,

    Who were you referring to in your outburst earlier about other countries being jealous? Most people here are either from America, Canada, Australia or Europe and I can assure you that we aren't jealous of the states. We have no need to be.

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    "I thought just possibly we might be able to have a reasoned intelligent debate"

    Ah yes that would be nice wouldn't it. Whitness the power of indocrination.

    What scares me is that the indocrinated views demonstrated here are the kind governing how a large proportion of the world is run, it's not the rational thinkers, but the mindless masses who vote governments into power.

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