First Human clone

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    As some one pointed out test tube babies was a taboo .. but now it is accepted.. During the 70's i think people though that using a lightning arrester was bad since it was agains the will of god(as if god wanted to destroy the building) but now it is an essential part of all buildings.. So i ultimately think that the human race will accept this also like it did with the other concepts.. New things are such as these are always shunned.. But who know what other benifits we might derive out of it... Many people feel that man is playing god.... Let him if he has the ability..
    This has grave consequences. Ethically, what is wrong with
    killing the mother since they are the same person? What's
    wrong with creating 1000 clones of yourself ready for battle?
    You would have 1001 lives then right?

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    Heavens what nonsense.

    "Ethically, what is wrong with killing the mother since they are the same person?"

    Clones are NOT copies of people, two people with the same DNA are two DIFFERENT people.

    Just as it is immoral today to kill one identical twin, it would be immoral tommorow to kill one clone. There is no difference.

    "What's wrong with creating 1000 clones of yourself ready for battle?"

    .... well to start with you would have an army of babies.

    And you've branched into sci-fi again, we do not have artificial wombs, you would have to find a thousand women willing to bear your thousand clones.

    In terms of making yourself an army, it would be no different to having 1000 children for the purposes of an army 20 years down the line.

    "You would have 1001 lives then right?""

    No, you would have one life.
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    I think it's easily possile to clone humans,i don't really believe
    in that soul crap,of course when i'm dead and standing in front
    of god i might consider believing it, anyhow whe will achieve a
    level of technology to clone humans,it won't be so soon but
    it will come.I do think it's dangerous to clone people,for the
    people who get cloned will feel a little pointless because the
    clones can do exactly what they can. I just think you should leave
    the cloning alone,it's messing with nature (but that wouldnt be
    the first time whe mess with nature)

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    Well it looks like the move Star Wars-- Attack of the clones or what ever has had a big impact on all the people. Why the hell don’t people understand that a clone is a baby born from a women womb as a normal baby. The only difference is instead of using the DNA of father and mother. The baby will have an identical DNA of its parent. There might be some problems now such as DNA mutilation etc.... But that I believe will be overcome...

    The baby or the clone born is not guaranteed to be the same as the person cloned. It will look the same and will have the same genetical makeup. But when it grows up it might not be the same person. If you clone Hitler you will not get a clone that will grow up to be Hitler. The person’s characters will depend on the environment he/she was brought up in...

    So in next 50 years our children might come from school telling us that Bill Gates clone has joined their school.

    And just because the other person has the same DNA as you have it does not mean he and you are the same. You have your own brains and the clone has also got its own. The clone can think on its own as you can... SO YOU AND THE CLONE WILL BE TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS.

    And not necessarily the clone will be able to do the same thing as its parent.

    So people believe me this is not similar to the Star War movie...
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    This is the biggest reason for opposition to cloning... ignorance. Before people start spouting off reasons why its unethical and coming up with possible abuses of cloning, please learn a little about the subject first!
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    Just as it is immoral today to kill one identical twin, it would be immoral tommorow to kill one clone. There is no difference.
    This is not what the Raelieans believe. Obviously I don't
    believe in it but it's one possible mistaken viewpoint. I already know that they are different people since I'm a twin.

    And you've branched into sci-fi again, we do not have artificial wombs, you would have to find a thousand women willing to bear your thousand clones.
    Don't you think an artificial womb is possible?

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    reproductive cloning is useful in some cases, say you have a kid who needs a bone marrow trasplant but there is no doner available. then you could clone that child and get the bone marrow and save him.

    the bonus: you got another kid!
    oh i'm sorry! i didn;t realize my fist was rushing to meet ur face!

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    "Don't you think an artificial womb is possible?"

    At some point in the future perhaps, but not yet, even so you are still presented with an army of babies.

    Furthermore it makes no difference whether you make yourself an army of clones or use normal eggs and sperm.

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    no way i am going to read all of this, obviously due to the depth at which its already gone i'm sure, but it brings to mind the episode of the simpsons where homer....well cloned himself lol.

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    Originally posted by Commander
    reproductive cloning is useful in some cases, say you have a kid who needs a bone marrow trasplant but there is no doner available. then you could clone that child and get the bone marrow and save him.

    the bonus: you got another kid!
    Yes, but then you kill the cloned baby to get all of the bone marrow.

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    not really, a bone marrow doner has no reason to die just because s/he donated bone marrow.
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    Originally posted by golfinguy4
    Yes, but then you kill the cloned baby to get all of the bone marrow.
    Wow, this goes to show how little you know about bone marrow transplants. Commander wasn't suggesting that we clone babies so that we can kill them and harvest all of their organs. He was saying that if a bone marrow donor was needed, the recipient could be cloned; then, the clone would donate his bone marrow, a process which is not lethal as you suggested. The added bonus is that because the donated tissue is genetically the same as the recipient; therefore, it will not be rejected by the recipient's body.
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    Ohh boy.. i though i was ignorant about many issues.. now i am happy since i know i am not that ignorant...

    People, first please understand a concept before jumping to concusions.... I am no cloning expert and i should agree i know little.. But that little i know perfect...

    I think it is always the ignorant people creating problems every where...

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    Cloning isn't directly doing harm to us.

    Unlike me, few people are talking from the point of view of religion. And more to protest in future.

    But of course lots of people around the world are interested to know the next.

    So, I don't think it will be easy to stop.

    Who knows, once there will be a "World (Human) Cloning Day".
    You know? I will be interested to ... anyway forget for now.
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    I always believe that religion and science are two aspects that should not be mixed.......

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