Cloning -- What do ya think?

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    Cloning -- What do ya think?

    hi guys,
    if you read the subject(which you all do), you know what i am asking for. i'm doing a project on it and wanted some of the controversies that sorrounded cloning from ppl around the world(where else can i get that but here ). i remember there was a thread on the old board about it, but since the board is gone, the threads are gone with it. i'm not asking for you write down a lot of things, but it would be appreciated if you write down your opinion(for or against it and why).
    thankx


    and it would be really great if this thread, after a few posts, didn't turn into a thread for bashing america like the old cloning thread in the old board.
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    i heard that somewhere in italy they're working on a human clone, its supposed to be born in january or february..i cant remember? personally im against it, i dont see any good that can come from making a copy of someone? I have more to say but dont have time now
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    I think that there needs to be a global scientific community consensus on the topic first, before we start making infinite copies of Kylie Minogue for each man (hey, now there's a thought!).

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    I think some people are scared of it mainly due to the fact that they know nothing about it. I believe some people envision giant glass vats filled with green ooze growing exact duplicates of existing people.

    Fact is, all cloning is is a slightly assisted normal birth. You're getting genetics from only one source, as opposed to the normal two. Everything else is pretty much the same.

    There are many possible benefits to human cloning in specific. Its a wide area of research and the science involved covers a broad spectrum of possible uses.
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    lol....i see this post going in the same direction as the God one...

    so what do you guys think advantages would be?
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    Ive never really thought about it before, but I will during this post.

    1. What I am most scared about is if some wacko scientist, decides to clone an army, it may start of by cloning some people to have some employees to run a little business, and then there are 200 people in his army.

    2. There are some useful purposes, if you clone organs. A lot of people will definitely complain about this, since u are just creating humans for organs.
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    Hmmm, the jury is still out with me.

    I recognise the potential benefits of growing someone a new organ if the ones they have stop working, especially kids. Nice to think that we could give all children born with deformaties (sp?) a fighting chance in in this highly competitive world we have created.

    But on the other hand it goes one step further than our current situation of keeping old people alive through medicine. I know the last 10 years of my gran's life were miserable. After the age of about 80, parts of her body begun to deteriorate (sp?) as is usual. But of course with modern medicine and our policies of keeping people alive at all costs she kept being sent for one operation after another or pumped with one drug after another. None of them increased her quality of life, just prolonged her death. It was heartbreaking to go and see this person who could literally do nothing by herself. Couldn't even get herself out of bed because her body was simply too frail. She finally died aged 93. I fear that cloning would just take it one step further and we would end up replacing one body part after another when at the end of the day, the body just wants to give up.

    The other thing that concerns me is the development of cloning. I know that Dolly the sheep (the first cloned animal about 10 years ago) is having real problems because parts of her body are growing at disproportionate rates. Apparently she is in a lot of pain and suffering as a result. I think that is wrong, others may not care. But until cloning becomes an exact science, I sure as hell don't ever want to see a human being being told that they will forever be deformed or in permanent suffering because they are the result of an experiment that went wrong!!

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    minesweeper your post was way too long so I didn't read it. Anyway I think we should find a way to only clone organs and somehow keep them alive in a giant fridge, that way we don't have to clone entire people for spare parts.

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    human cloning or theraputic cloning....lets be specific
    guns dont kill people, abortion clinics kill people.

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    >>minesweeper your post was way too long so I didn't read it.<<

    Considering the seriousness of the subject and the average post length in the 'God' thread, I though my post was pretty concise. It wasn't THAT long anyway.

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    Originally posted by minesweeper
    But on the other hand it goes one step further than our current situation of keeping old people alive through medicine. I know the last 10 years of my gran's life were miserable. After the age of about 80, parts of her body begun to deteriorate (sp?) as is usual. But of course with modern medicine and our policies of keeping people alive at all costs she kept being sent for one operation after another or pumped with one drug after another. None of them increased her quality of life, just prolonged her death. It was heartbreaking to go and see this person who could literally do nothing by herself. Couldn't even get herself out of bed because her body was simply too frail. She finally died aged 93. I fear that cloning would just take it one step further and we would end up replacing one body part after another when at the end of the day, the body just wants to give up.
    even if they could have cloned your grans genes to get her new organs, she's still be ceceptable to the same illness that caused her to become ill, not saying it wouldnt have helped but just some food for thought
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    >>even if they could have cloned your grans genes to get her new organs, she's still be ceceptable to the same illness that caused her to become ill, not saying it wouldnt have helped but just some food for thought<<

    She didn't have an illness. That's the point. Her body was just becoming too weak and frail to live. Normally when things like your kidneys start to malfunction, you just die. But cloning would mean we could just swap another one in. That doesn't however mean that everything is ok again. Once you get to her age everything deteriorates. Bones, joints, nervous system, circulatory system, everything. However they may not deteriorate enough to kill you for many years, only a malfunction of a major organ would do that.
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    Personally, I think its totally disguisting (did I spell that right?)
    I mean, if they are gonna bring Elvis back or something, he aint gonna be the same, so why bother?

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    Originally posted by civix
    Personally, I think its totally disguisting (did I spell that right?)
    I mean, if they are gonna bring Elvis back or something, he aint gonna be the same, so why bother?
    Haha, that made me think of this thread. Besides the whole Elvis paradigm, what about cloning is "disgusting"?

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    Originally posted by dP munky
    personally im against it, i dont see any good that can come from making a copy of someone?
    let's say you genetically modified a sheep that produces a special protein in her milk that can help some babies get that protein if they can't produce it them selves. so now you have one sheep. if you clone that sheep to make more sheeps with the same genetic information, they would all produce that protein. this process is much effective way to produce those sheeps then to actually genetically modify every sheep you intend to create.


    presonally, i'm pro for cloning as long as it stays ethical
    oh i'm sorry! i didn;t realize my fist was rushing to meet ur face!

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