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    Great Article

    A great article:

    http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm

    What do you think?
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    However Windows XP becomes shaky when enough programs are loaded that all of the installed memory is in use.
    Rubbish
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    For example, if Microsoft decided to remove the support for Windows XP, users might be forced to upgrade. Or, Microsoft could decide to ask for monthly payment for the use of its computers.
    So, Windows XP requires a continuous internet connnection?
    "What is your name and address?" means "Can we invade your privacy?"
    Passport signup is optional and might be a good thing.
    In some areas, Microsoft Windows XP has reduced functionality. For example, the command line interface does less in some ways than the CLI in Windows 98 SE (Second Edition).
    This is a lie, the command line is better in NT than in 9x. But if you like the command line, use *nix.
    Microsoft is widely disliked. It seemed that there were a lot of negative comments about Microsoft. Searches on Google for the words "hate Microsoft" or "hate Microsoft XP" returned many, many results.
    A reason for not using Windows?



    Summa summarum:
    I disagreed with every word I read in that article (no, I didn't bother to read it all) and what I read was just another stupid microsoft-is-evil article.

    I'm using Windows XP, with a current uptime of 16 days on my desktop machine! The latest reboot was because windows update (which btw rules) offered an upgrade.


    My XP computer is everything:
    • Webserver for my domain
    • Mailserver for my domain
    • Working computer (internet, programming, word-processing etc.)
    • Gaming computer, plays all latest games
    • All this at the same time, never has to reboot.
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    Linux Propaganda.

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    I'll admit that some.... erm, most of Microsoft's business tactics are shady and one-sided.... but, they do provide some good to the computer....

    I agree, it's propaganda.

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    And what about the other more important points you didn't mention?

    2MB memory limit in Windows 95, 98, and ME... go over the limit and it crashes? No wonder XP seems so stable compared to older versions of Windows.

    Companies required to give Microsoft your personal information?

    I've never had to reboot Linux except for once when I was running a screwed up program that I wrote. My own fault.

    My Linux computer is everything too .

    You don't have to switch, but Linux is just as good if not better than Windows.

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    Ok, now that we know that you like Linux... Anything else you want to tell us?

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    i'm a windows user, don't have xp but will be getting it on a new comp
    i'm as angry as the next guy about the stupid stuff ms does (most of it has to do with marketing and deals) but that doesn't mean there's any reason to believe that it's lame software (cause it's not).
    Linux is good, but i use windows and i don't make crap up about linux to convert people to windows, some people need to get a life.
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    OK, so everybody has said that this article is made up and propaganda. Would anybody care to justify that?
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    Would anybody care to justify that?
    I haven't read the entire thing so for all I know the M$ master computer may be spying on me; but as an example, the points you refer to don't appear to be what you are making them out to be -

    2MB memory limit in Windows 95, 98, and ME... go over the limit and it crashes? No wonder XP seems so stable compared to older versions of Windows.
    That's a 2MB array to hold User/GDI resourses. It may have this limit, but you've followed on from the articles lead by dressing it up and providing half the facts. Anyway I suspect most home users of the 9x series will have had far more problems with rogue apps accessing and overwriting things they shouldn't be rather than exhausting the data structure used to hold resource information.

    Companies required to give Microsoft your personal information?
    As far as I can tell you've missed (selectively ignored) the point again. The part I read stated that 'computer companies' give information about their business clients to MS. This isn't my personal information.

    This is one of the forms that proganda takes. It takes something that may or may not be an issue and adds spin on it to drive home the point. Some of the points may be valid (such as MS isn't always that quick in issuing bug fixes, etc), but alot of it seems to rely on vague speculation and the questionable subjective opinion of its author. How about some proof that Microsoft Application Error Reporting is secretly transmitting anything other than error reports, etc ?
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    As far as I can tell you've missed (selectively ignored) the point again. The part I read stated that 'computer companies' give information about their business clients to MS. This isn't my personal information.
    The article says:
    "Those who supply computer services involving Windows XP Corporate version can no longer keep the names of their customers private. The policy of forced disclosure abandons a tradition of business privacy that is thousands of years old."

    If you're their customer it would be your personal information. They require name, phone number, address, etc. No matter who you are, this information is personal. Besides, what does Microsoft need this information for in the first place?

    Anyway I suspect most home users of the 9x series will have had far more problems with rogue apps accessing and overwriting things they shouldn't be rather than exhausting the data structure used to hold resource information.
    You have many of the same applications which run on both 9x and XP. Why then on XP are they so much more stable?
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    >If you're their customer it would be your personal information.<

    Do you understand what Corporate means?

    >You have many of the same applications which run on both 9x and XP. Why then on XP are they so much more stable?<

    I dunno. It could be a number of reasons - 16 bit apps getting there own address space, not using a shared memory mapped file, improved memory allocation routines and as your article has stated an extendable structure to hold resource info, amongst others. It's (slow) progress on MS's part. Anway I doubt you'll find much dispute that parts of 9x were lacking. I wasn't trying to start a debate, just point out why some members had refered to the article as propaganda. If the direction that MS is taking is producing a more stable os then does this not provide benefit for their customers?
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    Originally posted by JasonLikesJava

    My Linux computer is everything too
    No. Not a good device for playing games.
    OK, so everybody has said that this article is made up and propaganda. Would anybody care to justify that?
    Apparently, the author has never used Windows (see my earlier posts). That should be reason enough.
    He claims that Windows won't work w/o an internet connection, etc.
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    No. Not a good device for playing games.
    Of course it is. WineX supports a ton of games and there are other popular games like Quake, Half-life, and Unreal that run natively on Linux.
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    He claims that Windows won't work w/o an internet connection, etc.
    Nowhere does the author claim this.
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    i trible boot XP/Mandrake/98...

    i perfer xp, period.

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